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Ratajack
05.05.2014 , 08:33 AM | #4521
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post



Why so serious?
£40 for an AC change... so in other words so punitive no one would use it.
Not to mention, even if they could only implement it through a 'cloning' system it would still be 100% automated.
Much like my suggested compromise, this poster's suggestion is to make it require thought before simply changing class, if they ever allow it.

WoW offers instant 90's but for $60. Most people will not just drop $60 for an instant 90. This ensures that while there will be some instant 90's, there will not be anywhere near the amount there would be if they charged about $10 for them, as you suggest BW should charge for class changes. Oh, and you cannot sell the instant 90 boosts, which you want to be able to do with class changes.

$40 for a new class seems reasonable to me, although I would prefer a slightly lower CC cost with a much higher "cost" in game, such as my suggested compromise. It should also NOT be able to be sold on the GTN, IMO. It should not become a way for people to buy credits.

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Savej
05.05.2014 , 09:59 AM | #4522
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Can you change your CLASS in WoW?

Can a rogue go from melee DPS with stealth to ranged DPS/heals as a priest?

Can a warrior go from melee DPS/tank to ranged heals as a paladin?
if you use Swtor's definition of class, assuming swtor's is advanced class = class, then yes you can swap classes in Wow, but not base classes. See how that works?

Wow druid respecs require far more playstyle and functionalty and gear changes than sage-shadow would.

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TUXs
05.05.2014 , 10:13 AM | #4523
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
With the usual caveat that 'Armchair programming is a lot easier than real programming' I'd say that's a little more complex than the solution needs to be.
If you look at how the game already handles Class abilities when you go to a Class trainer. Before you chose an Advanced Class the Class Trainer will only display the core abilities for that Class. Only after you select your Advanced Class will the trainer then show the additional tab with the Advanced Class abilities on it.

This suggests to me that the abilities in the game all have unique identifiers and are already grouped into categories dependant on Class or Advanced Class.

Along side this, even if an ability is there on the Class Trainers panel you don't have to purchase it. This means there is the means to track and store the rank you currently have.

I would have thought the most you would need to do is have the progression of all abilities tracked, not just the ones you currently have access through because of your current AC choice.

Without knowing exactly how these variables are stored long term it makes it hard to estimate how easy or hard it would be to implement such a conditional.

Why so serious?
£40 for an AC change... so in other words so punitive no one would use it.
Not to mention, even if they could only implement it through a 'cloning' system it would still be 100% automated.

For many, an AC change would be a one off deal, for others it may be something they do every other week, or on an ad hoc basis to support their guild. For many others it would be a way to reflect the more realistic environment they see their characters inhabiting (yes, scary thought for the day, many gamers use SWTOR as a form of escapism to imagine their alter-ego running around in the Star Wars-verse, hence the number of calls for sandbox options, pazaak like mini games, player owned shops, player housing, and many more requested features) not just running warzones over and over. And for these players it is not a great stretch of the imagination to think a character that can completely change their role through specialisation could not just as easily change it through an AC swap.
Absolutely fantastic post!!!
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ekwalizer
05.05.2014 , 10:15 AM | #4524
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
Lighten up, it's a game not a job. A player has no way at level 10 to know what the final playstyle of the character is going to be. Maybe you are lucky enough to casually throw 80 hours at a game every time you make a poor call. I'd be a little more lenient and give players the benefit of the doubt.
They do in fact have a way. It's called google. We knew, prior to early access, generally how each class played. What they didn't know, necessarily, is if *they* would like that play style.

To some degree, I sympathize. I don't like DPS on my Operative, so I use him as a healer. That led me to roll a Gunslinger on the opposite side. Turns out, I didn't much like that play style either. I didn't roll a Scoundrel as I knew I wouldn't like it - but I did suffer through a Sniper knowing full well that I wouldn't like it.

I don't like Mara/Sent. I leveled up a Warrior and enjoyed it, figured I'd give Sentinel a try. Hated it. He sits at 55 and I use him for bank overflow. Played a Guardian, loved it. Still rolled a Marauder and finished him. He sits unused.

I loathed the Trooper story, but I have a 55 Commando and a 50 Van.

It doesn't take nearly 80 hours. In fact, most people know rather quickly that they do not like the AC they chose. They should have dumped it at level 25 with 20 or so hours invested and rolled the opposite AC.

This game takes roughly 65 hours to level from 1-55 doing nothing outside of what BW holds you hand on.

MMOs are Real Life Time Sinks, period dot, end of discussion. No one who plays MMOs "doesn't have time" to level a toon. If they didn't have time, they wouldn't be whining on this forum. I work 84 hours per week, have a wife and two kids. I still found the time to level 15 level 55s since early access.

The *only* way I support any kind of AC Swap is if they are Legacy Level 50 and have a level 50 of the mirror they want. That way, they *know* what they are getting. Short of LL50, there is way to much game to check out before you *need* to change your AC.

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Ratajack
05.05.2014 , 10:17 AM | #4525
Quote: Originally Posted by Savej View Post
if you use Swtor's definition of class, assuming swtor's is advanced class = class, then yes you can swap classes in Wow, but not base classes. See how that works?
No. You can change spec in either game, but not change class. Your AC is NOT simply a spec. It is your CLASS. This is not just my opinion. The AC's ar different CLASSES in the eyes of the devs, the only ones who can decide what is and what is not defined as class in this game.

Your guild roster shows classes of SCOUNDRELS and GUNSLINGERS or OPERATIVES and SNIPERS, not smuggler-scoundrel and smuggler-gunslinger or imperial agent-operative and imperial agent-sniper.

As far as I am aware, no two AC's even share a single tree. Even the "shared" tree is different between the AC's and not just in range. If I am wrong, I am sure you will not hesitate to point that out.

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TUXs
05.05.2014 , 10:18 AM | #4526
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
They do in fact have a way. It's called google.
LOL! That's like suggesting you know how a car will drive by watching a youtube video of it.
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TUXs
05.05.2014 , 10:19 AM | #4527
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
No. You can change spec in either game, but not change class. Your AC is NOT simply a spec. It is your CLASS. This is not just my opinion.
This very web site says differently.
http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes
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05.05.2014 , 10:21 AM | #4528
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
LOL! That's like suggesting you know how a car will drive by watching a youtube video of it.
Can you purchase a car, drive it for 6 months, then expect top be able to go back to the dealer and complain that you don't like the way it drives and expect him to just give you a new car? I'm not aware of any dealer's that will do that.

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Ratajack
05.05.2014 , 10:25 AM | #4529
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
This very web site says differently.
http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes
Does your guild roster list any members with the class of bounty hunter or trooper over level 10?

I'm thinking that most, if not all, of your guild members that chose the trooper or bounty hunter STORY LINE will have their CLASS listed as mercenary, powertech, vanguard or commando if they are over level 10.

If your AC is not your class, why would they not show a class of bounty hunter-mercenary, bounty hunter-powertech, trooper-vanguard, or trooper-commando?

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TUXs
05.05.2014 , 10:26 AM | #4530
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Can you purchase a car, drive it for 6 months, then expect top be able to go back to the dealer and complain that you don't like the way it drives and expect him to just give you a new car? I'm not aware of any dealer's that will do that.
There are a ton of reasons that that's not feasible and you know it...but...if you dislike something on the car you purchased, there are options to changing things to make it more your style (stereo, tires, paint color, trim, Nav system, entertainment system, remote start, engine)...for a price...the only alternative is not buying an entirely new car.
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