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Kaphik
04.30.2014 , 03:45 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by TravelersWay View Post
Ahh, so both of you are mind readers, or even worse - psychologists. So you and others who think like you know what is best for all other gamers, and if other gamers actually have different ways of enjoying something, well then, there must be something wrong with them. I guess the fact escapes you that some people just don't like broccoli. Doesn't matter what the benefits of eating broccoli are, some people just don't like - and it doesn't matter the reason, that's just the way they are. It appears to me that you are the ones attempting to put reasons on to someone's desire not to eat broccoli, and can't fathom why anyone would feel such a way.

In the end, yes, it is on us who do not desire to participate in double XP weekends to not play the game during those events. However, we are in every right to make a forum post requesting BioWare provide an option so we can continue to play the game but still not participate in the double XP boosts. The reasons, ultimately do not matter. Just as the reasons for players wanting group finder, wanting customizable UI, wanting expanded space options, wanting player housing, wanting more planets, wanting more species, wanting SGR, and so on and so on are within their rights to ask for the things they want, reasons notwithstanding. It is within other players rights to say that they don't want said systems in game, but it is within no one's right to determine what, why, and how any player should feel when asking for said things, or decide that a personal thing such as enjoyment for a game is wrong.

I actually enjoy reading a good book by candlelight. It enhances my experience of reading the book. I happen to like story. I also happen to like class stories. They enhance my enjoyment of the game. Amazingly enough I can actually enjoy both types of stories, and both types of stories enhance my enjoyment of the game, so I most certainly will ask for class stories because having both enhances my enjoyment of the game more than just having one. Shocking to the simple minded I know, but there it is!!
OK, so it appears that you like the class stories for what they are, stories. Probably the other quests as well. How does double XP change that enjoyment for you in any meaningful way? You can still do all the quests on a planet, including the bonus series. In fact, many people who leveled up long before the double XP were able to do so and miss a lot of quests. The people that wanted to experience the story went back and did those quests. I fail to see how double XP affects the game in a negative way.

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Djiini
04.30.2014 , 05:01 PM | #62
Way to make it incredibly clear that you play as a subscriber. For the time I had to play my Sorcerer as an un-sub, Double EXP was a GODSEND, so I didn't have to do the Bonus Series on EVERY SINGLE PLANET EVER.

Even now that I'm a sub, my Sorc is lagging 2 levels behind after completing Hoth. I'm planning to use the weekend with Double EXP to do Taris Bonus Series and catch up easily.

Are you actually complaining about more experience? 'Turn off leveling up'?

Yeah, I'd say there was a hungry troll somewhere around here...

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BuriDogshin
04.30.2014 , 05:21 PM | #63
They should just sell an "XP Damper" on the CM that reduces XP received by 50%. Problem solved, and people who want to "read the book by candlelight" (or match-light even) can do so whenever they want. I just had a mental image of Ben Kenobi in his home studying a book by Saber-light BTW.

I imagine an XP Damper might sell well to lowbie PvPers as well.
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SethMorganaa
04.30.2014 , 05:36 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by TravelersWay View Post
Ahh, so both of you are mind readers, or even worse - psychologists. So you and others who think like you know what is best for all other gamers, and if other gamers actually have different ways of enjoying something, well then, there must be something wrong with them. I guess the fact escapes you that some people just don't like broccoli. Doesn't matter what the benefits of eating broccoli are, some people just don't like - and it doesn't matter the reason, that's just the way they are. It appears to me that you are the ones attempting to put reasons on to someone's desire not to eat broccoli, and can't fathom why anyone would feel such a way.

In the end, yes, it is on us who do not desire to participate in double XP weekends to not play the game during those events. However, we are in every right to make a forum post requesting BioWare provide an option so we can continue to play the game but still not participate in the double XP boosts. The reasons, ultimately do not matter. Just as the reasons for players wanting group finder, wanting customizable UI, wanting expanded space options, wanting player housing, wanting more planets, wanting more species, wanting SGR, and so on and so on are within their rights to ask for the things they want, reasons notwithstanding. It is within other players rights to say that they don't want said systems in game, but it is within no one's right to determine what, why, and how any player should feel when asking for said things, or decide that a personal thing such as enjoyment for a game is wrong.

I actually enjoy reading a good book by candlelight. It enhances my experience of reading the book. I happen to like story. I also happen to like class stories. They enhance my enjoyment of the game. Amazingly enough I can actually enjoy both types of stories, and both types of stories enhance my enjoyment of the game, so I most certainly will ask for class stories because having both enhances my enjoyment of the game more than just having one. Shocking to the simple minded I know, but there it is!!
I agree with the above.

Quote: Originally Posted by BuriDogshin View Post
They should just sell an "XP Damper" on the CM that reduces XP received by 50%. Problem solved, and people who want to "read the book by candlelight" (or match-light even) can do so whenever they want. I just had a mental image of Ben Kenobi in his home studying a book by Saber-light BTW.

I imagine an XP Damper might sell well to lowbie PvPers as well.
This is a good idea.

Also Im sure certain PvP players might like this, like you mentioned.

Quote: Originally Posted by Djiini View Post
Way to make it incredibly clear that you play as a subscriber. For the time I had to play my Sorcerer as an un-sub, Double EXP was a GODSEND, so I didn't have to do the Bonus Series on EVERY SINGLE PLANET EVER.

Even now that I'm a sub, my Sorc is lagging 2 levels behind after completing Hoth. I'm planning to use the weekend with Double EXP to do Taris Bonus Series and catch up easily.

Are you actually complaining about more experience? 'Turn off leveling up'?

Yeah, I'd say there was a hungry troll somewhere around here...

I'm guessing that some people will do Heroics, PvP, GSF (Not played GSF, do you get much XP for this?), Flashpoints, as well as enjoying grinding, for lets say, Scavenging materials, which all adds up. And some people really enjoy a good challenge.

The above mentioned XP soon adds up, and out leveling occurs.

I just usually do the ground planet PvE stories (hardly any heroics or flashpoints), and I still out-level,



p.s I hope that Saber is secure. Dont want it to fall over and cut something off

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Deewe
04.30.2014 , 06:02 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by indiramourning View Post
Choices are a good thing. Having the option to turn off XP when I want to is just a choice I would like to have in every MMORPG I play. Does my ability to turn off XP affect other player's ability to earn it? No. So, dear Devs, please provide an option to disable XP. I'd really appreciate it. Because I like having choices.
Supposedly it could make some players too powerful in PvP.

Although pretty sure the designers can come up with very simple ways to prevent "exploiting" the system.
One could be as soon as you lock your level you can't PvP in regular queues for say until you are 5 level higher...

Now some of us would vote for a XP slider letting us fine tune how much we'd like to lower our XP.

For example I find myself always outleveling PvE content without even doing all the Heroics, never doing any ground or space PvP nor space PvE missions.

Might be weird but there are people who do enjoy leveling characters in this game and like it to still be challenging without needing not to gear up our characters...
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Khevar
04.30.2014 , 06:24 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by TravelersWay View Post
... and can't fathom why anyone would feel such a way. ...
Just as a comment on this. On an emotional level, I can empathize with a player not wanting double xp. But on a purely practical level, I actually do have a hard time fathoming the complaints.

Everything that double-xp does while leveling can be easily adapted to as a player, using methods the player is already doing. Let me explain.

As a subscriber, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to do every class, planetary and side quest and NOT be overleveled. It cannot be done. I've actually tried. No xp boosts, no xp perks, but if you do every available quest on every available planet, YOU WILL BE OVERLEVELED.

See, this means that the player is already choosing to skip quests. OR the player is CHOOSING to be overleveled. There is no way around it. You're either overleveled, or you're skipping quests.

Do you see my point? Double xp doesn't create a new problem, it merely exacerbates an existing situation that players are already dealing with.

So. Since everyone has to skip some content no matter what (or risk being overleveled) the common solution is to pick up the skipped quests on your next run through. Or are you saying there are "completionists" that will only ever do 1 class story?

Every single subscriber in the game is either a) already overleveled or b) already skipping quests.

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DarthTHC
04.30.2014 , 06:44 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by TravelersWay View Post
Ahh, so both of you are mind readers, or even worse - psychologists. So you and others who think like you know what is best for all other gamers, and if other gamers actually have different ways of enjoying something, well then, there must be something wrong with them. I guess the fact escapes you that some people just don't like broccoli. Doesn't matter what the benefits of eating broccoli are, some people just don't like - and it doesn't matter the reason, that's just the way they are. It appears to me that you are the ones attempting to put reasons on to someone's desire not to eat broccoli, and can't fathom why anyone would feel such a way.
This isn't broccoli. This is a game. You have within your easy grasp the solution to the problem you created for yourself. You choose not to take it.

Yes, I think there is something wrong with any mind that will do that to itself. "It sucks being broke. If only I cashed this $10,000,000 cheque Uncle Albert left me right before he passed... but I can't... it's the only thing I have with his signature on it."


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In the end, yes, it is on us who do not desire to participate in double XP weekends to not play the game during those events.
You have more options than not playing.

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However, we are in every right to make a forum post requesting BioWare provide an option so we can continue to play the game but still not participate in the double XP boosts.
Meanwhile, players whose minds do not fool themselves would prefer that BioWare spend engineering effort solving problems that we can't already solve for ourselves or giving us new features.

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The reasons, ultimately do not matter. Just as the reasons for players wanting group finder,
Group Finder is a feature that solves real problems in the game that players could not possibly solve for themselves. Players could solve part of what Group Finder does, but not all of it.

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wanting customizable UI,
There is no way for players to solve that for themselves. The game had to do it.

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wanting expanded space options, wanting player housing, wanting more planets, wanting more species, wanting SGR,
Yet more features that the players could not solve for themselves...

Do you see where I'm going with this? If you don't, I'll reiterate. You can solve the problem your mind has created for itself. Completely without attention or effort from BioWare. You can even do it without avoiding the game during 2xp. So solve it.


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and so on and so on are within their rights to ask for the things they want, reasons notwithstanding. It is within other players rights to say that they don't want said systems in game, but it is within no one's right to determine what, why, and how any player should feel when asking for said things, or decide that a personal thing such as enjoyment for a game is wrong.
Nothing wrong with enjoying the game. Everything wrong with wanting others to solve problems you create for yourself and could solve for yourself with minimal to no effort.

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I actually enjoy reading a good book by candlelight. It enhances my experience of reading the book. I happen to like story. I also happen to like class stories. They enhance my enjoyment of the game. Amazingly enough I can actually enjoy both types of stories, and both types of stories enhance my enjoyment of the game, so I most certainly will ask for class stories because having both enhances my enjoyment of the game more than just having one. Shocking to the simple minded I know, but there it is!!

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LeJarC
04.30.2014 , 08:52 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
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May I suggest you read your own signature? seems to me you are trying very hard to fall into the latter category...only instead of victimizing, you're blindly pushing your opinion with total disregard of anything and anyone that has a different take on the situation.

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amarkrieder
04.30.2014 , 09:27 PM | #69
When travelling to any point in life, some people will only see the end of the journey as important, while others will see the journey itself as the worthwhile path.
You can play this game anyway you wish now, but adding a button to turn off xp boost harms no-one, what amazes me is the number of people who object to a change like this, when it would not affect the way they say they play now yet they still object. wow

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Khevar
04.30.2014 , 09:56 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by amarkrieder View Post
When travelling to any point in life, some people will only see the end of the journey as important, while others will see the journey itself as the worthwhile path.
You can play this game anyway you wish now, but adding a button to turn off xp boost harms no-one, what amazes me is the number of people who object to a change like this, when it would not affect the way they say they play now yet they still object. wow
I don't think anybody is actually objecting to the idea of adding an opt-out feature. I know I'm not.

However, there are many players that have made this issue a Really Big Deal(tm). Some players have even threatened to (or have actually) unsubbed. Many players have described how the presence of double xp means they cannot play the game.

I personally find it hard to fathom why it is a big deal, as opposed to a minor inconvenience. See my post above for my thoughts on this subject.