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Producer Letter – Galactic Strongholds

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Producer Letter – Galactic Strongholds
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LanceCorporalDan
04.24.2014 , 05:00 PM | #401
Quote: Originally Posted by idnewton View Post
I can't help but point out this terrible logic.

There are murderers in this world.

But we might as well reward them for it, if it's going to happen anyways.

One of a thousand examples I could give for that logic being 100% awful.
lol? Did you just relate players who fight each other in a video game to real world murderers?
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Gamazson
04.24.2014 , 05:07 PM | #402
I am sorry if this has already been answered, but what will happen if you are subscribed for the May deadline but are not subscribed for the new deadline?

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JediMasterSLC
04.24.2014 , 05:19 PM | #403
Quote: Originally Posted by idnewton View Post
See, this is why I don't put you on ignore. Because eventually you come back with a completely accurate statement that I can't help high-fiving
That's nice, now stop making moronic comparisons between this game and real life.

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Rakugo
04.24.2014 , 05:23 PM | #404
Quote: Originally Posted by Sidenti View Post
My GOD, you can't type. I'll try to translate as best as I can, in order by paragraph:

* Considering none of us have even seen an alpha of this concept - and the change was just announced - I don't see how you can be so all-fired sure things won't change in development as they are wont to do. If it remains just a PvE thing that everyone can do, then there's no issue. But I doubt strongly that'll be the case as more details are announced.

* I'm sorry. I sat and stared at the second paragraph for a while but couldn't see a coherent point. It seems like you were simply upset that I mentioned PvPers by name. If that's the case... I don't know what to tell you, man. If it isn't, kindly clarify. Thanks in advance.

* You'll forgive me if I ignore anecdotal evidence in favor of the historical record RE: MMO gaming, I'm sure. But kudos on getting a proper poll done on the topic so quickly. Do you work for Quinnipiac or something? (Look it up.)

* In that whole mess, one pseudoword stands out - "prolly". (I assume you meant "probably" and were just extremely pressed for time.) It doesn't sound like you're as certain as to what's going to happen, or what the final product will be.

No one is. There's no final product yet and no definite list of features. Perfect time to raise concerns, isn't it? That way it can be avoided if someone else comes along and says "let's make this a guild war thang!"

Ounce of prevention and all that. -bp
O god, congratz on being a Nazi Grammar, want a reward? A cookie perhaps? You're only comeback here is about my grammar, but oke if you want fancy words here it comes.

First of let me start by addressing this phrase you point out earlier in your comment sir,
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" I think you need to roll out that feature only on PvP servers. That's clearly a PvP community wish and they're the best community to test it out."
You seem awfully full of your self being Nazi Grammer here, but for a article that has been written , lets say, near perfect English (Do you like the capital letter i used, i mean i don't want you to get upset by using a lower case e) and still you cant seem to gather the information that has been given to you in plain and clear sentence and or the comments left by Eric (There another Capital E at someone's name, i mean for god sake it's not like i am filling out a job application, but humor me.) And also been stated on what updates they would release and it what manner, One expansion, mostly dedicated to PVP, being said, i do believe GSF was the PVP expansion that has been release no? And then another dedicated to PVE that being said, do seems logical that STRONGHOLD is the PVE expansion? And somehow you seem to be thinking that you have been given the peoples voice and authority to speak on behalf of the PVP community? Sorry to burst your bubble sir, but i did not throw in my vote for you. (So i hope you can let that little brain of yours proccess this sentance that it means that i am a PVP'er myself and have no problem with the mention of PVP or the content and players and other matter related to it )

As you seem to lack the cerebral cortex part, to comprehend that there are more then just PVP guild's out there that would love to see the special perks added to their guilds and yet you seem awfully convinced this is PVP related, but since you seem so reluctant about this whole Conquest part so i decided to bring the Nazi grammar some substantiation,

Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Conquering a planet is done through completion of Conquest Events, which are PvE Missions.

Also, I know this is big news so I am going to be sticking around in the thread answering questions as I can. We probably aren't going to talk too much about the details of each feature yet but I will answer what I can

-eric
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It doesn't sound like you're as certain as to what's going to happen, or what the final product will be.

No one is. There's no final product yet and no definite list of features
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And yet you are certain that this should only be put up on PVP server as that is the best solution, whilst there has, as you self just said in the above quote that no definite list of features, and still you want to press on the fact that it should be PVP server only, as for the fact that if this would actual be a PVP related expansion, without a final confirmation on the features that will be added, it could have easily been, fight against another guild (which once again could be guild members who absolutely have no PVP experience, knowledge or gear to fight against PVP players, and also that to continue to dominate the planet once you ranked top, you need to defend your base on the planet or flagship against incoming NPC, which can be done by PVP players but since their gear doesn't do that much of damage as PVE geared people would do, you mind find your self in a difficult position to maintaining control over a planet)

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I CAN'T UNDERSCORE ENOUGH HOW BAD OF AN IDEA THIS IS.
Yeah i think you don't need to underscore anything else but...

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I think you need to roll out that feature only on PvP servers.
Why? because

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It kills population and leaves a game with a small, elitist group of completely unsavory people. I have never seen the concept do anything other than this. Ryzom is an excellent example with its guild outpost battles. (Or lack thereof - I think they're down to 1 server and 200-500 players.)
Like bringing out a content and then put it for certain server only, wont get people to quit or swap server in the game, leaving other servers more empty and then to the inevitable shut down.

And even if this was PVP related, please help me clear my ametropia that i do seem to believe that even PVE players PVP and vice versa.

But since you seem to believe that PVP related content should be on only PVP servers, then why don't we remove Planets, FP, Ops and such from PVP server, and let every character on PVP server level by PVP it self no? Being on a RP, or PVE server doesn't mean PVP don't happen, it simply means, open world PVP is not going to happen unless you flag your self, by putting on the option and or attacking another flagged person in open world. Other then that, PVP happens as the same for PVP server, where people who joined that server do PVE related content.

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If it remains just a PvE thing that everyone can do, then there's no issue.
So you're saying that PVP servers can get PVE related content but as long as they release PVP content it should stick to PVP servers? Please be so kindly to go F your self,

As you have your doubts, i have mine, and like you addressed in this coment

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Since the largest guilds were in control of the economy after that, hardly anyone bothered to create any more guilds. Survival depended on joining one of the few guilds in control of the outposts, because A) only they had access to the ubermaterials and B) the economy went resource-based - to buy anything worthwhile, one needed to work like a Japanese beaver or simply join one of the guilds in control.

I don't think I have to tell you how stagnant that gets - particularly if, as in the case of Ryzom, the power guilds in charge of the desirable, controllable properties don't really feel like changing the status quo.
As to lower your concerns, the only things that affected the Economic in this game are Crafting Skills, being able to craft, 180 item rating modification items and Cartel Market, and i doubt it will go any other way.

A highly doubt that even with the Stronghold expansion and guild flag ship gaining planetary control will give them certain materials needed to craft that you can't find anywhere. The only thing that will be a even bigger changer in the Economic is and once again and will be Crafting, since you can craft decorations for Strongholds

So if you have something to say about someones previous comment, that was related to yours, please stay on topic if you anyhting valid to say, if not don't try to look cool by being a Nazi grammar, because you look like a double plus class A D-ick.

As for the person might just recently started to learn engl---SIKE---English and or might be dyslectic or some other form of mental illness or physical that prevent them from speaking and or typing proper English so goodbye Mr Nazi grammer A.K.A double plus class A D-ick
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Vandicus
04.24.2014 , 05:24 PM | #405
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDymond View Post
Where are you getting evidence that kill-trading has ever been a serious problem with this game? Your own anecdotal experience?

Forgive me, but that sounds like a pretty shaky foundation for sweeping claims about how PVPers "have to be treated".

Has it ever happened? Sure. But there's also been win-trading in Arenas, that doesn't mean the whole concept of Ranked PVP should be thrown out.
Uhhh, Ilum ring a bell? Kill trading, cap trading, Bioware allegedly even rolled back some people's valor levels because of it?
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JediMasterSLC
04.24.2014 , 05:48 PM | #406
Quote: Originally Posted by Rakugo View Post
O god, congratz on being a Nazi Grammar, want a reward? A cookie perhaps? You're only comeback here is about my grammar, but oke if you want fancy words here it comes.

First of let me start by addressing this phrase you point out earlier in your comment sir, You seem awfully full of your self being Nazi Grammer here, but for a article that has been written , lets say, near perfect English (Do you like the capital letter i used, i mean i don't want you to get upset by using a lower case e) and still you cant seem to gather the information that has been given to you in plain and clear sentence and or the comments left by Eric (There another Capital E at someone's name, i mean for god sake it's not like i am filling out a job application, but humor me.) And also been stated on what updates they would release and it what manner, One expansion, mostly dedicated to PVP, being said, i do believe GSF was the PVP expansion that has been release no? And then another dedicated to PVE that being said, do seems logical that STRONGHOLD is the PVE expansion? And somehow you seem to be thinking that you have been given the peoples voice and authority to speak on behalf of the PVP community? Sorry to burst your bubble sir, but i did not throw in my vote for you. (So i hope you can let that little brain of yours proccess this sentance that it means that i am a PVP'er myself and have no problem with the mention of PVP or the content and players and other matter related to it )

As you seem to lack the cerebral cortex part, to comprehend that there are more then just PVP guild's out there that would love to see the special perks added to their guilds and yet you seem awfully convinced this is PVP related, but since you seem so reluctant about this whole Conquest part so i decided to bring the Nazi grammar some substantiation,



\

And yet you are certain that this should only be put up on PVP server as that is the best solution, whilst there has, as you self just said in the above quote that no definite list of features, and still you want to press on the fact that it should be PVP server only, as for the fact that if this would actual be a PVP related expansion, without a final confirmation on the features that will be added, it could have easily been, fight against another guild (which once again could be guild members who absolutely have no PVP experience, knowledge or gear to fight against PVP players, and also that to continue to dominate the planet once you ranked top, you need to defend your base on the planet or flagship against incoming NPC, which can be done by PVP players but since their gear doesn't do that much of damage as PVE geared people would do, you mind find your self in a difficult position to maintaining control over a planet)



Yeah i think you don't need to underscore anything else but...



Why? because



Like bringing out a content and then put it for certain server only, wont get people to quit or swap server in the game, leaving other servers more empty and then to the inevitable shut down.

And even if this was PVP related, please help me clear my ametropia that i do seem to believe that even PVE players PVP and vice versa.

But since you seem to believe that PVP related content should be on only PVP servers, then why don't we remove Planets, FP, Ops and such from PVP server, and let every character on PVP server level by PVP it self no? Being on a RP, or PVE server doesn't mean PVP don't happen, it simply means, open world PVP is not going to happen unless you flag your self, by putting on the option and or attacking another flagged person in open world. Other then that, PVP happens as the same for PVP server, where people who joined that server do PVE related content.


So you're saying that PVP servers can get PVE related content but as long as they release PVP content it should stick to PVP servers? Please be so kindly to go F your self,

As you have your doubts, i have mine, and like you addressed in this coment



As to lower your concerns, the only things that affected the Economic in this game are Crafting Skills, being able to craft, 180 item rating modification items and Cartel Market, and i doubt it will go any other way.

A highly doubt that even with the Stronghold expansion and guild flag ship gaining planetary control will give them certain materials needed to craft that you can't find anywhere. The only thing that will be a even bigger changer in the Economic is and once again and will be Crafting, since you can craft decorations for Strongholds

So if you have something to say about someones previous comment, that was related to yours, please stay on topic if you anyhting valid to say, if not don't try to look cool by being a Nazi grammar, because you look like a double plus class A D-ick.

As for the person might just recently started to learn engl---SIKE---English and or might be dyslectic or some other form of mental illness or physical that prevent them from speaking and or typing proper English so goodbye Mr Nazi grammer A.K.A double plus class A D-ick
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Projawa
04.24.2014 , 05:54 PM | #407
I see the May 11 sub benefit is Nar Shadaa house with 5 rooms and the June 15 sub benefit is Nar Shadaa house with 3 rooms.

Does being subscribed during both May 11 and June 15 mean we get Nar Shadaa house with 8 rooms?

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Vandicus
04.24.2014 , 06:08 PM | #408
Quote: Originally Posted by Projawa View Post
I see the May 11 sub benefit is Nar Shadaa house with 5 rooms and the June 15 sub benefit is Nar Shadaa house with 3 rooms.

Does being subscribed during both May 11 and June 15 mean we get Nar Shadaa house with 8 rooms?
I believe there's a statement earlier in this thread saying no, they don't stack.
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DarthDymond
04.24.2014 , 06:31 PM | #409
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
Uhhh, Ilum ring a bell? Kill trading, cap trading, Bioware allegedly even rolled back some people's valor levels because of it?
Yes, I understand that he was claiming that Ilum had a kill-trading problem, what I was asking is if there's ever been any official statements, or any other sort of actual evidence, that it was a significant or widespread problem.

I'm not saying it never happened, but BW rolling back some people's valor levels doesn't mean that "many PVPers" were kill-trading, or that PVPers in general "have to be treated like children". That would be the same as claiming that just because BW rolled back some PVPers' Ranked scores, "many" players were win-trading, or that Ranked players "have to be treated like children".

He was making some sweeping generalizations about PVPers, I am just asking if there was any evidence to match the scope of his claims. Especially because he's using those generalizations as a reason for why he thinks the devs should have a specific "treat them like children" design approach to future PVP content.

If all he's basing those generalizations on is anecdotal evidence... well then the restrictive, hand-holding design approach he's suggesting seems more like a case of 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater', rather than a proportional response to a problem. The extent of the problem is very relevant to determining the appropriateness of the response.
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Kazur
04.24.2014 , 06:40 PM | #410
I hope the decoration placing system is similar to everquest 2's placement system, but I'm expecting to be disappointed on that.