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cefert
04.20.2014 , 07:34 PM | #1
hey guys i have a sin alt and whenever i go to use stealth to sneak by a mob whether they are weak standard silver or gold an orange circle appears over their heads and they aggro me and they dont have advanced stealth detection either so someone tell me is this a glitch or bug with stealth?

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Kamay
04.20.2014 , 07:46 PM | #2
Stealth is not the press-1-to-win skill you expected it to be and it shouldn't be. Keep this in mind when stealthing around.
1) Enemies that are a higher level than you will see through your stealth easier.
2) Approach from the back - they seem to have less detection (idk if this is true but I always do it)
3) Do not hesitate when approaching a target that is when they'll see you and aggro
4) Some Champions/Elites & Droids can detect stealth

Using sleep dart or mind trap etc. is your friend when stealthing around to avoid combat. Also keep in mind that when you are within around 10m or so of an enemy that is when they can notice you. You'll get used to moving around undetected.
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DawnAskham
04.20.2014 , 07:56 PM | #3
Stealth isn't useless, though it has quite a few limits and possibly even bugs in SWTOR.

If you need to sneak through an area, try to keep as far away from the mobs as possible (detection is range based), stay away from droids (droids have more anti-stealth abilities than other types of mobs), dismiss your companion (they seem to be detected easier than player characters), use your stealth CC (a CC'd mob can't spot you), approach mobs from the back or sides (detection is weaker), and use your increased stealth ability for tight spots.

And if you get detected, be prepared for bugs like not being knocked out of stealth yet put into combat and for your in-combat stealth ability to fail or put you into stealth yet not drop combat.

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Hoshkar
04.20.2014 , 07:56 PM | #4
If I recall, there is a skill point and ability (in the 20s) that will make you harder to detect as well. Stealth in PvE is mostly just to skip a lot of trash clearing, which honestly you should not do, most of those mobs trigger bonus quests, some chain into good exp / rewards
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Khevar
04.20.2014 , 07:59 PM | #5
There are also skills that passively raise your stealth level, such as Infiltrator, that make it harder to be detected. You can also dramatically increase your stealth level with abilities like Sneak.

If you want to bypass a group of mobs, your best bet is to hit Sneak and then run past them.

At higher levels, you also unlock Cloaking Screen, which will drop you into stealth even when in combat.

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Loc_n_lol
04.20.2014 , 08:58 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Kamay View Post
2) Approach from the back - they seem to have less detection (idk if this is true but I always do it)
Detection range is greater in a cone in front of the npc. Standing right behind a hostile mob isn't exactly safe either but you can definitely get away with more by sneaking behind them than in front of them.

Also, when you see the orange circle on the head of an enemy, you have about a second to get out of range until they become hostile, you can use a high-mobility abilities like force speed or scamper (or even rocket boost!) to pass through npcs that would attack you if you were to just walk past them.

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trancejeremy
04.20.2014 , 09:57 PM | #7
I found this very confusing in the game (compared to others I've played). Usually in other games, you can sneak up and backstab them (usually for a big damage). But not in this, they detect you before you can pull that off.

Which is confusing, since you typically fight several enemies at once (unless they are elite), it seems like you should be able to insta-kill one of a group. Especially as some classes have powers that can potentially kill a whole group (Death From Above, for instance will do so for much of the early game)

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Loc_n_lol
04.20.2014 , 11:01 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by trancejeremy View Post
But not in this, they detect you before you can pull that off.
No, they definitely don't if they're not equipped for it and you use your sneak ability, which increases your stealth level by ridiculous amounts for a few seconds. Then you can pretty much /dance in front of a bunch of npcs and they won't notice you.

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Drudenfusz
04.21.2014 , 12:57 AM | #9
I play my Shadow since release and never had a issue with stealth in SWTOR. I have done entire heroic 4 missions without a single fight, since I avoided every mobs there, not go too near to mobs you don't want to fight, staying behind them helps a lot. Use the ability that increases your stealth rating for a few seconds when needed and mezz the mobs which you what to pass close by. Also, as sin, use you speed boost, since the amount of time or how fast you pass a mob while in stealth is also a factor, so don't dally too long near them.
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swtonewbie
04.21.2014 , 01:43 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by trancejeremy View Post
I found this very confusing in the game (compared to others I've played). Usually in other games, you can sneak up and backstab them (usually for a big damage). But not in this, they detect you before you can pull that off.

Which is confusing, since you typically fight several enemies at once (unless they are elite), it seems like you should be able to insta-kill one of a group. Especially as some classes have powers that can potentially kill a whole group (Death From Above, for instance will do so for much of the early game)
You can pull it off, it just wont be as easy as in other games. To pull it off you may have to spec some talent points, and you may even have to do an extra step that you arent used to. But if you want to make it work you'll stop worrying about how others games do it and how this game is differrent and instead you'll find ways to make it work.

Here is something that will work for Shadows and Scoundrels. Shadows have the ability 'blackout' which increases your stealth level making it harder for npcs to detect you. Now take a look at the middle talent tree Infiltration and look towards the bottom at the third tier and you will see a talent called 'masked assault'. Normally blackout has a 45 second cooldown, but if you spend 1 talent point in masked assault then when exiting stealth the cooldown on blackout is reset. That means if you kill packs really fast you can still go from pack to pack and blackout will always be available for use. So while you are stealthed just pop Blackout to increase your stealth level, get behind the mob and backstab. As soon as you are able to restealth again Blackout will be available for use (assuming you spec'd that 1 talent point into masked assault.

Scoundrels can do the same thing...the ability that increases their stealth level is called Sneak. The talent that resets its cooldown when you exit stealth is also in the middle tree Scrapper and it's called "Fight or Flight" and it also just takes 1 talent point. So just like above...make sure you are stealthed start your approach and hit Sneak to increase your stealth level and attack. Sneak has a 1 minute cooldown but just like above, Fight or Flight will reset that cooldown the instant you leave stealth.

Now trying to navigate through an area and avoiding combat is a different story. If it is a single mob by themselves you can just use Tranquilizer or Mind Maze and when you walk past them use it again on the next person in your path. If there are a bunch of strong/elites and even CCing one will still get you detected by the others you can use the Blackout/Sneak reset trick mentioned above. While in stealth use blackout/sneak and then sneak all the way past the mob or pack. Make sure that you are not within aggro distance of anything. Now unstealth and the cooldown on blackout/sneak will be reset. Wait a few more seconds and restealth and repeat for the next pack that is in your path.

Yah it sucks, maybe we shouldnt have to do all that, maybe BW should fix it. But in the meantime you do still have ways of dealing with it.
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