Guardians / Juggs, ED needs a tone down?

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Guardians / Juggs, ED needs a tone down?

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Ren_simp

04.18.2014 , 05:24 PM \| #231	Quote
The ability is fine in its Current form some tips Focus the jug/guard force them too pop it Switch targets or burst through the heals guards/jugg didn't recive any damage reduction along with this talent And can die just as fast as they did pre 2.7 I faced a team with 3vengeance jugs and a sniper my team was me vigilance 2combat sents and a gunnery comando and we won we rotated through the juggs forcing them to blow their cooldowns. It's a need buff to this class and by no mean makes us invincible I still get melted easily once I've popped everything it just allows more uptime that you never got before and vs some comps you still don't get enough. Double sorc double sniper is the hardest comp we have faced since 2.7
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MusicRider

04.18.2014 , 05:29 PM \| #232	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ugolino Let me rephrase: give me cloak of pain and rebuke and I'll happily trade away Focused Defense. Cloak of pain = Rebuke. First is the name for maras, latter for sentinels, same ability. You might want to learn sentinels/maras abilities. Quote: I've never had to ignore it. Guardians die in warzones just the same as they always have, and any difficulty you're having taking one down isn't because of the changes. I've killed them with my ED down and theirs up as well as simply changing targets and gutting them afterwards/dropping a taunt and swapping targets, and it really, really isn't the gamebreaker you're portraying it as. Confused. Firstly you say keep on attacking him to burn the charges down.... now you say swap target (for at least 30s) and ignore him. What is it then? And if you stand with your latter statement instead of the former contradictory one, then out of curiosity if you play against 2-3 of them, who do you swap to then?

Ugolino

04.18.2014 , 05:33 PM \| #233	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by MusicRider Cloak of pain = Rebuke. First is the name for maras, latter for sentinels, same ability. You might want to learn sentinels/maras abilities. Confused. Firstly you say keep on attacking him to burn the charges down.... now you say swap target (for at least 30s) and ignore him. What is it then? And if you stand with your latter statement instead of the former contradictory one, then out of curiosity if you play against 2-3 of them, who do you swap to then? My mistake; I should have realized that mistake but I'm still working on my mirror AC and it's not a priority for me. Either works, which is is my point. If you play against 2-3 of them, then why are you expecting to win solo against 2-3 competent players? And 2-3 of most classes will give you silly results; this is not news. Either keep focusing the guy with your buddy (since I assume you're not expecting to take on 2-3 Guardians solo and win lol) and get him once he's out of charges (And if you have more than 1 guy on him, he will run out very very fast) or change targets and come back after a kill or two to get rid of him, assuming your more competent teammates haven't done it for you.

GrandLordMenace

04.18.2014 , 05:38 PM \| #234	Quote
The problem with Guardian Vigilance Defenses, is that we have an inherent weakness to force and tech in PVP besides Focused Defense, SPECIFICALLY against AOE force and tech. Saber Ward's defenses mainly only defend against melee and ranged damage, which while common in PVE, is a lot less common in PVP. This renders saber ward, a 3 minute ability's main usage, is 25 percent DR on F/T abilities, pathetic. We have no long CD defensive ability that works truly well in PVP besides Focused Defense, and THAT is why it should not be touched. Focused Defense is only useful to DELAY death, not stave it off completely.
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Yamahara

04.18.2014 , 05:41 PM \| #235	Quote
Maybe its the alcohol lol... But If you're trying to tell me that ED can keep a Jugg up with 4dps on him without a healer healing him you are so full of it. I've been burned down many times with it popped and having no healer to heal me. I play against dps who can easily sustain over mid 2kdps no problem on a regular basis. 2 of them have no problem burning a jugg that has ED popped in a group arena. 30 seconds is too long..but ED will never last that long being focused. Use your weakest stuff on them and it will still use their 10 charges. And you're wrong, I've kept a marauder alive with 5 people on him on my Operative. Im just op heals I guess <3. Every response I've given was in reference to a ranked 4man arena. The reason juggs got ED.. I think it should be cut in half and have less charges though no biggie. You said they SHOULD NOT..Fact is they cant survive 4dps on them without heals even with ED.
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GrandLordMenace

04.18.2014 , 05:42 PM \| #236	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Yamahara Maybe its the alcohol lol... But If you're trying to tell me that ED can keep a Jugg up with 4dps on him without a healer healing him you are so full of it. I've been burned down many times with it popped and having no healer to heal me. I play against dps who can easily sustain over mid 2kdps no problem on a regular basis. 2 of them have no problem burning a jugg that has ED popped in a group arena. 30 seconds is too long..but ED will never last that long being focused. Use your weakest stuff on them and it will still use their 10 charges. And you're wrong, I've kept a marauder alive with 5 people on him on my Operative. Im just op heals I guess <3. Every response I've given was in reference to a ranked 4man arena. The reason juggs got ED.. I think it should be cut in half and have less charges though no biggie. You said they SHOULD NOT..Fact is they cant survive 4dps on them without heals even with ED. EXACTLY. Focused Defense is just a heal, nothing more, it's a powerful heal, but as all heals, they can be burned through.
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Telaan

04.18.2014 , 05:57 PM \| #237	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika Okay and I'm not denying any of that. I am, however, rightfully concerned about the ability in its current state - which I find over tuned. I asked the question (mainly pointed at BW) if it was intentional the way it is performing right now. You'll have to excuse people who don't value your opinion on the issue very highly. Complaints from the rep for the class which has a solid spot in the meta game of arena and had been a tier 1 pvp class for so long, isn't going to be taken seriously by people who have played a class which has been, at best, questionable since launch. As I said above, each tick of FD heals for less than most attacks and isn't a iwin h2f button. Arguing that it is makes that person look clueless. The ability is used in conjunction with other dcds, such as enure, to maximize the benefits of both abilities. Without a second dcd FDs healing is easily burst through. All your qq on this forum does is erode your credibility.
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Xinika

04.18.2014 , 05:59 PM \| #238	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Telaan All your qq on this forum does is erode your credibility. I'm not 'qqing' so that doesn't apply to me.
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Telaan

04.18.2014 , 06:03 PM \| #239	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika I'm not 'qqing' so that doesn't apply to me. Call it what you want, my point stands.
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Xinika

04.18.2014 , 06:10 PM \| #240	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Telaan Call it what you want, my point stands. You said I was 'qqing', which I'm not, so you have no point. If someone loses credibility for calling out grossly overpowered abilities then gosh golly darn, that's too bad.
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