Guardians / Juggs, ED needs a tone down?

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Guardians / Juggs, ED needs a tone down?

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Xinika

04.18.2014 , 02:47 PM \| #161	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ugolino >Sins aren't overpowered as a PVP class. The delusion is strong with this one. They've been good for so long that sins being upper-tier in terms of viability is the new status quo. Frankly, anything and everything that shakes that up is just fine with me right up to gutting the class so someone else gets a moment in the sun. This gives the right for another class to have an absurdly broken ability. The logic is astounding. Look, I really don't care if you were playing a sorc, sniper or the singing bard from another game - if an ability is overpowered, it's overpowered. I don't care how much you don't like sins and I really don't care how much you love your little guardian. It's obvious ED is a beta ability and is finding its correct balance but its current incarnation is overpowered. Due to that, I bring this thread forth to BW (which they have seen) as feedback. GL
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Vid-szhite

04.18.2014 , 02:49 PM \| #162	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Telaan Its a catch 22. As long as ranked exists in which there is a leaderboard and exclusive rewards, BW will be required to balance classes for that environment. This is exactly the reason why Blizzard publicly regretted arena. Regardless, the spec is fine. Outside of all these 1v1 situations that people are trying hard to convince happen more often than not, FD needs to be used in conjunction with another dcd as it's very easy to burst through. Each tick is worth less than most abilities dmg output. As a result it mitigates, but doesn't eliminate said dmg. It's significantly harder to burst down at VG with adrenaline rush than a guardian with FD. ^^^^^ This. 99% of the time if I am using Enraged Defense, I also have to pop another DCD or else I will just die anyway. This is how you see ED suddenly top people off -- it's not ED doing the work, it's medpac + Endure Pain, and then your damage is being mitigated by ED so that it looks like he suddenly healed to full. If I am being focused, especially in huttball, and I'm somehow surviving, ED has nothing to do with it. I'm being nuked by a healer, end of story.
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Groncho

04.18.2014 , 02:50 PM \| #163	Quote
btw "ARENAS WILL SAVE SWTOR PVP" rofl
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Yamahara

04.18.2014 , 02:51 PM \| #164	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika Sins need nerfs? K. Roll one yourself and lemme' know how 'overpowered' it is. Really though, in a full wz the amount healing done by ED is the same amount of self healing done by a dps sage/sorc(which can do 3-4k dps right now) Don't be mad because you can't 1v1 a guardian anymore. 1v1 doesn't mean **** right so they probably won't do much with it. I see them just lowering the activation to 50% :P Veng spec Juggs were useless up until now; and guardians in general were useless when arenas came a long so it was long overdue.
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Ugolino

04.18.2014 , 02:52 PM \| #165	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika This gives the right for another class to have an absurdly broken ability. The logic is astounding. Look, I really don't care if you were playing a sorc, sniper or the singing bard from another game - if an ability is overpowered, it's overpowered. I don't care how much you don't like sins and I really don't care how much you love your little guardian. It's obvious ED is a beta ability and is finding its correct balance and its current incarnation is overpowered. What's obvious is that you're just bitter about Guardians being viable/improved from their previous sorry state and have nothing to contribute because of your clear bias. Absurdly broken? Compared to what? Thirty seconds, ten charges, no damage reduction in its current form. Still very much killable after the charges are gone. Deal with it and l2play. I'm not even that attached to the new ED, I just find the idea of a little karmatic payback and delicious former FOTM tears appealing. You deserve this and should learn to deal with it rather than whining. If you want a change, make a better suggestion than "Waaahhh nerf it, I want easier kills waaah". Otherwise, I'm just going to laugh in your face and heal2full as DPS. Go uninstall if it bothers you so much that Guardians get a second decent generic defensive cooldown.

Vid-szhite

04.18.2014 , 02:54 PM \| #166	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Yamahara Really though, in a full wz the amount healing done by ED is the same amount of self healing done by a dps sage/sorc(which can do 3-4k dps right now) Don't be mad because you can't 1v1 a guardian anymore. 1v1 doesn't mean **** right so they probably won't do much with it. I see them just lowering the activation to 50% :P Veng spec Juggs were useless up until now; and guardians in general were useless when arenas came a long so it was long overdue. Good Madness Sorcs and Snipers can still 1v1 me, ED or no, and I am probably one of the better Juggs on my server. Vengeance is still as vulnerable to kiting as ever.
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Xinika

04.18.2014 , 02:55 PM \| #167	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ugolino If you want a change, make a better suggestion than "Waaahhh nerf it, I want easier kills waaah". Otherwise, I'm just going to laugh in your face and heal2full as DPS. Cool.
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Ugolino

04.18.2014 , 02:57 PM \| #168	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika Cool. "heal2full" should have been a tip-off of sarcasm: any fool knows that if you're healing to full with ED, that's a waste of your charges.

Xinika

04.18.2014 , 02:57 PM \| #169	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ugolino "heal2full" should have been a tip-off of sarcasm: any fool knows that if you're healing to full with ED, that's a waste of your charges. Sweet.
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Ugolino

04.18.2014 , 02:58 PM \| #170	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika Sweet. Bye. --

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