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How to Become a Contender: Supplemental(Bolster, PvP Gear, and You)

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How to Become a Contender: Supplemental(Bolster, PvP Gear, and You)

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abhaxus
04.14.2014 , 02:29 AM | #311
I haven't seen this anywhere, but it should also be noted that with 2.7 the lvl 53 purple implants and ear (artifact microfilament) are BIS over even Brutalizer for some classes. For example on my operative, the artifact microfilament earpiece is +10 endurance, +18 cunning, +7 power, +6 surge over the obroan earpiece, with the only loss being 3 expertise (-0.18% damage boost) vs the Obroan earpiece. Over brutalizer the gains for the purple 53 are +2 endurance, +10 cunning, +2 power, +2 surge, with the -3 of course to expertise. They are clearly better than obroan, and at least equal if not better than brutalizer.

Wish I'd figured this out before I bought brutalizer ear and implants for some of my toons. Doesn't work for all classes, but if you are flexible with your itemization on other pieces you can make the 53s work on almost everything.
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L-RANDLE
04.14.2014 , 07:26 AM | #312
Quote: Originally Posted by abhaxus View Post
I haven't seen this anywhere, but it should also be noted that with 2.7 the lvl 53 purple implants and ear (artifact microfilament) are BIS over even Brutalizer for some classes. For example on my operative, the artifact microfilament earpiece is +10 endurance, +18 cunning, +7 power, +6 surge over the obroan earpiece, with the only loss being 3 expertise (-0.18% damage boost) vs the Obroan earpiece. Over brutalizer the gains for the purple 53 are +2 endurance, +10 cunning, +2 power, +2 surge, with the -3 of course to expertise. They are clearly better than obroan, and at least equal if not better than brutalizer.

Wish I'd figured this out before I bought brutalizer ear and implants for some of my toons. Doesn't work for all classes, but if you are flexible with your itemization on other pieces you can make the 53s work on almost everything.
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duigha
04.14.2014 , 09:17 AM | #313
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
That's about right, but you can do better.

I guess I should say it here instead of "debating" it in other threads. The issue with MH/OH is still present. I am pretty sure the stat sheet is incorrect, and bolster+PvE weapons are BiS, even with the EXP nerf. I am pretty sure force/tech power, and power are not subjected to any bolstering or "debolstering", and regardless of what the stat sheet says, a weapons native min/max damage is still what is reflected in tooltip ratings. What this means is that if you have weapons with higher min/max damage than PvP ones, your tooltip values will be high enough to cancel the EXP nerf...
Because I am kinda tired of trying variants of PvE gear viability, will I be OK in my full min/max brutalizer + 28 purples (operative - medic)? I just re-subbed after a month and currently reading all bolster guides is not on my roadmap so far.

Thanks for answer in advance
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L-RANDLE
04.14.2014 , 09:41 AM | #314
Quote: Originally Posted by duigha View Post
Because I am kinda tired of trying variants of PvE gear viability, will I be OK in my full min/max brutalizer + 28 purples (operative - medic)? I just re-subbed after a month and currently reading all bolster guides is not on my roadmap so far.

Thanks for answer in advance
I think they took the EXP nerf off of the purple 66x3., but overall, don't worry about it. Just as long as you have relics and set boni, bolster still is just as favorable, or more favorable as "BiS" PvP gear...
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funkiestj
04.14.2014 , 12:53 PM | #315
Quote: Originally Posted by Lunez View Post
Neat guide here, I'm glad someone picked up the pace after I went on my 12-month hiatus. Now that I'm playing the game again, I plan to revamp my original contender guide to make it more in touch with current game mechanics.

Cheers
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funkiestj
04.14.2014 , 12:59 PM | #316
Quote: Originally Posted by duigha View Post
Because I am kinda tired of trying variants of PvE gear viability, will I be OK in my full min/max brutalizer + 28 purples (operative - medic)?
This is why I hate bolster. I'm fine with the gearing mini-game (i.e. the question "which stat mix is best for my spec and play style?") but I hate the bolster mini-game. I'm hoping that once again folks will post some validated results that show me what PvE gear to use as I'm working towards top tier gear (brutalizer). I don't really care (anymore) if brutalizer is not BiS as long as it is close.

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McMart
04.17.2014 , 03:15 AM | #317
Hi guys,

question about Bolster with 2.7. I used on my PT an old PVP gear to get the set bonus and modified it to 63/69/61. i dont play this alt a lot so not much time to grind for full orboan. Now with 2.7 ill get only 1933 instead of 2018 before. How do i get back to >2000? Is it now 162/150/150 or where is the cap? Or is it just because of main and offhand? Therefore i used 69/63/61. thx f ur help.

Edit: got the brutalizer mainhand and im at 1977. so with the pvp generator it must be >2000 i think.
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L-RANDLE
04.17.2014 , 02:46 PM | #318
Quote: Originally Posted by McMart View Post
Hi guys,

question about Bolster with 2.7. I used on my PT an old PVP gear to get the set bonus and modified it to 63/69/61. i dont play this alt a lot so not much time to grind for full orboan. Now with 2.7 ill get only 1933 instead of 2018 before. How do i get back to >2000? Is it now 162/150/150 or where is the cap? Or is it just because of main and offhand? Therefore i used 69/63/61. thx f ur help.

Edit: got the brutalizer mainhand and im at 1977. so with the pvp generator it must be >2000 i think.
It's your MH and OH. 2.7 changed those so you wouldn't get Max EXP from bolster, but the irony is your PvE weapons were probably a lot closer to Brute than you probably think.
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phalczen
04.17.2014 , 04:54 PM | #319
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
It's your MH and OH. 2.7 changed those so you wouldn't get Max EXP from bolster, but the irony is your PvE weapons were probably a lot closer to Brute than you probably think.
So, based on posts above and what we know so far, if I have:

Two obroan set bonus pieces,
Two brtualizer relics,
MH/OH obroan
rest conqueror (including the other 2 set bonus pieces)

Then, I should swap my conqueror earpieces and implants for artifact 53 stuff (basic comms schematic vendor), and I should be bolstered to max? (Lets assume for the moment I am not swapping out the MH/OH yet).

Can I afford a drop of 82 or more expertise if I use underworld/verpine-level (item level 72, rating 168) stuff in my MH/OH?

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L-RANDLE
04.18.2014 , 08:11 AM | #320
Quote: Originally Posted by phalczen View Post
So, based on posts above and what we know so far, if I have:

Two obroan set bonus pieces,
Two brtualizer relics,
MH/OH obroan
rest conqueror (including the other 2 set bonus pieces)

Then, I should swap my conqueror earpieces and implants for artifact 53 stuff (basic comms schematic vendor), and I should be bolstered to max? (Lets assume for the moment I am not swapping out the MH/OH yet).

Can I afford a drop of 82 or more expertise if I use underworld/verpine-level (item level 72, rating 168) stuff in my MH/OH?
Yes up can drop 82 EXP as long as your MH/OH have 69 hilts/armoring or above.

Here is a rundown of what you should be wearing or progressing to wear. More favorable is after the "or", but its not by much...
Crafted 53 or Brute Ear
Crafted 53 or Brute implants
Obroan or Brute Wrists/Belt
Obroan or Brute relics
Obroan/Brute or 72/69/66 MH/OH
Obroan/Brute 2/4 piece set boni.
69/63/61 or 69/66/58 on remaining pieces
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