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Is ESO making a dent in this game?

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Is ESO making a dent in this game?

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robertthebard
04.08.2014 , 12:43 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Rizkill View Post
No, the statement would be ridiculous if they didn't have content patches planned every few week, but they do, one coming up shortly along with the adventure zones. ESO isn't like Star Wars, where the new content is announced a year ahead of time with micro cartel market patches released to drain your money.

So yeah, just because I said all the time, doesn't mean I was talking in past tense, it means they will have them all the time and in short time intervals. And your comment about time travel is sort of correct, but I'm not from the future, you're just hanging onto the past. But in case you still think that, you will be able to buy a hover board from the Cartel Market for around $15 between the times when little game content is added so don't worry!!!!!

And the hype isn't going to settle down, the game is awesome and there's plenty of ways to play it to stay entertained.
It's funny, when BioWare did this in the past, they were cutting content to release as DLCs, but when Bethesda does it, it's "oo, look, new content". Yeah, you gotta love the double standard.

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LtGeneralGezlin
04.08.2014 , 12:50 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Rizkill View Post
As a long time SWTOR player, ESO has already won. They have new content releases ALL the time. It may not have launched with a raid system you are used to, but that doesn't mean it won't be released. Actually, since it's a dedicated subscription based game, it will be released. TOR is a retarded cousin next to ESO in terms of toon builds, skill trees, crafting, pvp, character creation, and story based leveling with the option to grind at about the same pace. Lets continue, a changing landscape based on your actions, mount leveling, player driven economy not based off repair bills and cartel market items, public and instanced dungeons, timed end game raids with leader boards, multiple guild system (crafting guild, pvp/pve guild, social guild, trading guild, etc...), customizable interface, add ons, discoverable skill lines (vampire and werewolf) in game guild (Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, Thieves*, Dark Brotherhood* (in next content patch)). And that just touches on basic things.

Crafting in itself kills this game. You can learn multiple styles including daedric and primal, enchanting, alchemy, cooking, woodworking etc.. and you learn armor and weapon traits by breakdown to add to your products. Customized super potions, tons of customized enchantments, harvesting everything etc...

Sorry to say, with new content being released every few weeks instead of every 6 months, it's an obvious choice. And if you want to use that one build for your class in end game or pvp, not use hybrid specs, and be forced into cookie cutter techniques to accomplish anything, then that's your decision.

One factions quest lines and areas are already larger than SWTOR, and you can then do Veteran content in the other ones!!! AND its a MEGA SERVER!

Not gonna touch on it all, but I will say this in closing.
Sorry Star Wars, I love you, but the force is weak in Bioware. I'm switching to a continuously evolving world, where new content isn't just a difficulty, or a planet the size of a daily area... Where the world evolves around you as you progress... Where the in game markets is where I can repair my gear and feed my horse, not buy a $20 mount or recolored outfit.... Where the obvious choice is just that.. obvious.

Bye SWTOR, and see you all when the choice becomes more clear to you... more than likely in a couple months when ESO content shadows over the last 2+ years SW content and you're still waiting for the new instance that drops the same gear you had 2 months ago.
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The_Grand_Nagus
04.08.2014 , 01:01 PM | #73
Oh wow! People on TOR forums defending TOR! What a shock!

/sarcasm off

Seriously, when you ask about ESO on TOR forums, of course you are going to get a lot of replies from TOR defenders. If you asked about TOR on the ESO forums, you would get a lot of replies from ESO defenders. Asking about Game-A on Game-B's forums is pointless because 99% of your replies are going to be from people defending their "home turf".
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robertthebard
04.08.2014 , 01:02 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by The_Grand_Nagus View Post
Oh wow! People on TOR forums defending TOR! What a shock!

/sarcasm off

Seriously, when you ask about ESO on TOR forums, of course you are going to get a lot of replies from TOR defenders. If you asked about TOR on the ESO forums, you would get a lot of replies from ESO defenders. Asking about Game A on Game B's forums is pointless because 99% of your replies are going to be Game B defenders.
I truly like game forums where threads like this are locked with a link to the mentioned competitor's game's forums for discussion of that game.

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Wylf
04.08.2014 , 01:15 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Rizkill View Post
No, the statement would be ridiculous if they didn't have content patches planned every few week, but they do, one coming up shortly along with the adventure zones. ESO isn't like Star Wars, where the new content is announced a year ahead of time with micro cartel market patches released to drain your money.

So yeah, just because I said all the time, doesn't mean I was talking in past tense, it means they will have them all the time and in short time intervals.
Just a friendly advice - wait a month or two, maybe more, and see if they are able to keep their promise on that. Every MMO promises tons of content at launch, and promises like weekly/monthly updates are very common indeed. If they manage to keep their end of the bargain there, good for them, but my past experiences kinda make me doubt that they will... and even if they do it's still questionable if the content will be any good quality wise. Not saying that ESO is bad - hell, I haven't played it, so I have no basis to judge it - but praising something before it's been able to deliver is generally a bad idea.

It's like with politicians, don't judge them by what they promise during the election, but by what they actually do once they are elected
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04.08.2014 , 01:16 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Rizkill View Post
No, the statement would be ridiculous if.....
I thought you said good-bye....
You can't come back after you say good-bye. Now we have to have that whole tearful separation all over again, oh wait...

So Long, Farewell, Alveterzane, Adieu.
Hope you have fun and stay there, I guess I'll see you on the ESO forums talking about how great Wildstar is when it is finally released.
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Nightfalll
04.08.2014 , 01:17 PM | #77
In 30/45 days, this game will start bleeding subs. Just like every other MMO that's released in the past six years.



Nothing new here. Once the shiny/new/bloom is off the rose, it will be business as usual. ESPECIALLY when ESO players start hitting end game.


There is very, very little to do..........
"I wonder what you will say when SWTOR surpasses WoW in subs.

Something like Oh it will die in 2 years from now, when it doesnt you change your opinion and say Oh its 4 years." quote from DARTHDOLL 2/25/2012

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DarkZenith
04.08.2014 , 01:36 PM | #78
After 30 days, ESO will lose a vast chunk of its population, just as with every other new P2P game. After that, they will have to decide whether or not to continue with a sub, or work on a F2P system for the near future.

Remember all of the people who claimed *insert new MMO here* would kill off WoW? Well, it's the same situation with SWTOR versus ESO. In other words, SWTOR will be fine.

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Jeweledleah
04.08.2014 , 02:24 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by RiVaN_ View Post
Goodbye Mr. ESO Dev, I doublt you actually played this game at all. To actually KNOW all this about ESO when the game has only been live for 4 days is a pretty ridiculous statement. Sooooooo Either you are a ESO Dev that is here on the SWTOR forums trying to hype the competitors product or you are talking out of your butt.

FYI your "player driven economy" is just a way of saying "Bethesda didn't couldn't figure out how to make an economy that would work give the way crafting is designed so they decided to just let the player base fend for themselves"

Anyway, Cee-ya later.
I just wanted to butt in here for a moment.

many of Zenimax developers have been in business for a long long time, we're talking decades. they have done a lot of different things, and they are far to mature to resort to trash talking on other game's forums. honestly? I don't see any of the major developers coming to competitor forums and trash talking to hype their game becasue they have PR departments and if they are smart experienced enough to work on these complex giant games - they are smart experience enough to know that this trash talk has the opposite effect and makes their game and its community look bad.

so no, these posters who come in trash talking? are not developers. they are NOT hired by the companies to do that.

now... does astroturfing happens? yes. yes it does. but it tends to come without included trash talk and usually shows up on review and rating sites, NOT forums.

that said... even if I do end up playing ESO past first month (jury is still out, though currently leaning to "no") I wouldn't be playing through all 3 factions on a single character. I will visit for the purposes of grabbing skyshards and occasional lorebook, the way I might go back to some planets here and there and grab datacrons and codex entries, but that's about it. being an altoholic and the fact that in order to experience crafting fully, I cannot do it all on a single character? yeah.... which incidentally is something that amuses me about ESO. on one hand - you have account wide bank. on the other hand - this means a lot less overall storage space. and then there's a matter of your vanity pets, maps etc - basically pre order, deluxe edition etc rewards being one per account. not per character. per account. I can't figure out if they want to encourage you to have alts? or discourage you.

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robertthebard
04.08.2014 , 02:30 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
I just wanted to butt in here for a moment.

many of Zenimax developers have been in business for a long long time, we're talking decades. they have done a lot of different things, and they are far to mature to resort to trash talking on other game's forums. honestly? I don't see any of the major developers coming to competitor forums and trash talking to hype their game becasue they have PR departments and if they are smart experienced enough to work on these complex giant games - they are smart experience enough to know that this trash talk has the opposite effect and makes their game and its community look bad.

so no, these posters who come in trash talking? are not developers. they are NOT hired by the companies to do that.

now... does astroturfing happens? yes. yes it does. but it tends to come without included trash talk and usually shows up on review and rating sites, NOT forums.

that said... even if I do end up playing ESO past first month (jury is still out, though currently leaning to "no") I wouldn't be playing through all 3 factions on a single character. I will visit for the purposes of grabbing skyshards and occasional lorebook, the way I might go back to some planets here and there and grab datacrons and codex entries, but that's about it. being an altoholic and the fact that in order to experience crafting fully, I cannot do it all on a single character? yeah.... which incidentally is something that amuses me about ESO. on one hand - you have account wide bank. on the other hand - this means a lot less overall storage space. and then there's a matter of your vanity pets, maps etc - basically pre order, deluxe edition etc rewards being one per account. not per character. per account. I can't figure out if they want to encourage you to have alts? or discourage you.
You want to know why I never even looked at WoW? Their community members on every other game forum I've ever been on. I didn't need to go to their forums to see what the community was like, on average, since I had samples from 8 or 9 other games telling me that I didn't need to be associated with them.