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why strongholds and not your ship

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bannsider
03.28.2014 , 04:09 AM | #31
I cant even begin to imagine how many thousands of lines of code and script are built into those ships to run all those cutscenes, animations, conversations etc they would be crazy to add housing commands ontop of those

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Greyhamea
03.28.2014 , 05:30 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth-Obvious View Post
I'm sure they will add ship customization in a limited fashion at some point however it's one of those things that even in a limited fashion would be fairly time consuming since they'd be having to do it across 6 different ship models.

That's the other benefit for them to do housing, ie one single layout versus 6 different unique ones. That's assuming that each apartment layout is the same per planet, but if each of the 3 are unique then that's still only 3 layouts.
Hopefully. At the very least different wall decorations would be nice.

I'm not against appartments, but I also don't think the "because it's too hard" is really a viable reason to not allow some minimal customization to ships. Yes, it will never be to the same extent as you'll get with this, but it would be nice to have.

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Quraswren
03.28.2014 , 07:24 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
In an ideal world, that's what it would have been.

As it happens, the reason it doesn't work is because of the cutscenes and whatnot that are a part of our Ships. We can't change the look of the interior without screwing all that 1.0 stuff up.

Housing, however, is brand new and can be designed and programmed to do all these things that we want to do with it, like the Legacy bank.

So, while I think they would have eventually figured out how to change the insides of our Ships(and may well do so in the future), they went with the quicker and easier solution of just making Strongholds for now.
I looked at it the very same way.

When the guild was thinking about this and why they didn't just use ships, someone said:

"Most times it's easier to build the exact same brand new house from scratch then to remodel the same old house to be new."

That made sense to me. They needed new tech to accomplish everything and the old ships were tied into to much old code to really be feasible in remodeling. Time to create a new home with better perks.

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Jorgoman
03.28.2014 , 07:36 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
Your ship is the place to travel the galaxy. Your home is the place to settle down. Play house, settle down, kick back and relax etc. As the ship droid says "its meant to be your home away from home" and your home will be strongholds, your ship is the home away from your home. Why? Because they would have to redo all the cutscenes for the ship and all that. I agree with the choice they made. Plus, they will keep adding other planets and they will have great, great views. I favor the Strongholds over the ships.
Just to voice my opinion through the words of another-- this is what I think. The ship is mainly where you live while you travel, while the stronghold/house is where you live when you want to "truly" be at home. I personally cannot wait for this, and think it's such an awesome thought. Housing has always been a way to increase immersion, and I think it's a step in the very right direction for MMOs nowadays, especially one with such an immersive setting as Star Wars.

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Aries_cz
03.28.2014 , 07:46 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
I looked at it the very same way.

When the guild was thinking about this and why they didn't just use ships, someone said:

"Most times it's easier to build the exact same brand new house from scratch then to remodel the same old house to be new."

That made sense to me. They needed new tech to accomplish everything and the old ships were tied into to much old code to really be feasible in remodeling. Time to create a new home with better perks.
This is the exact reason why, kudos to your guildie who came up with that perfectly logical and yet simple explanation.
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03.28.2014 , 08:40 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by HiddenPalm View Post
Why would you say there is only one way around it? There are a million ways around it. Here's one way. If they use a LOTR style housing method for the ships where you are only allowed to put furniture in specific places with specific sizes of things they allow you to place on those specified places, then it would be fine. For example if there is a cut scene with a companion walking, that companion would not bump into anything, because you cant just place a chair where ever you want. Reviewers online have already suggested this is probably how housing will work.

Bioware figured all of this out ages ago and are only now releasing the beginning of their results. Nothing in gaming is impossible, ever.
Already explained: not all ships utilize their space the same way. Furthermore the Jedi and Sith ships are shared between the classes and even their cutscenes are different. Do you make insertable stuff specific for each class? That's gone over real well with gear.

Quote: Originally Posted by Docmal View Post
The cut scene problem is easy to fix... You cant customize your ship until you reach 55 and finish your missions. Then you can purchase a ship upgrade that has a new bigger layout that is customizable.
And what happens when they add another HK/Treek companion? Not to mention as someone else pointed out, not everyone gets all their companions' stories done by level 55.


Quote: Originally Posted by Greyhamea View Post
Hopefully. At the very least different wall decorations would be nice.

I'm not against appartments, but I also don't think the "because it's too hard" is really a viable reason to not allow some minimal customization to ships. Yes, it will never be to the same extent as you'll get with this, but it would be nice to have.
It's not that it's too hard to make ships customizable...it's that it's easier to do separate apartments. The man-hour investment to accomplish the latter is a fraction of the former. That translates into a higher ROI.

Lastly, considering that they cannot even get the unify colors feature to stick on companions during cut scenes, I can only imagine the chaos customized decor on ships would wreak.
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Robocles
03.28.2014 , 12:09 PM | #37
Also... every toon gets a ship (well... almost every one.. I had a guildie who leveled to 50 thru PvP and never got a ship). The ships we get are not persistent... they only spawn when we board them. This saves ongoing resources, of course, but also means that if you have anyone else there (only party members.. not even raids can board them) and you disconnect, they get booted to the planet.

Since Strongholds will cost cnsiderable money, there will likely be less of them than there are of player ships. Add to this the ability to put them on different planets and the ability to add rooms, etc. and the idea of doing all of this on a player ship becomes unworkable.

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03.28.2014 , 12:16 PM | #38
Because Bioware appears to have this desire to splinter the games population more and more and more for some reason.
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Vandicus
03.28.2014 , 12:27 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Because Bioware appears to have this desire to splinter the games population more and more and more for some reason.
It does seem to be that way a bit. Given I'm not a big housing person(fortresses like in NWN2 are awesome though) and I spent all of ten seconds on it in Skyrim, but Bioware's updates seem to be very anti-centralization. A lot of players did ask for that, reasons to leave fleet and the like. What with events, pvp, gsf, gf flashpoints, GSI, and now soon to be guild flagships and housing, its only a matter of time before fleet is virtually uninhabited. That kind of situation seems to practically demand some form of server wide chat.
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well
03.28.2014 , 12:31 PM | #40
People have been asking for housing for a long time. Now they are getting it. Cool .The only thing as far as housing that is important to me is Legacy storage. Decorations and that yade ya meh. Same as a ship.