There is STILL incredible potential for SwTOR in the MMO market

Perhaps... he is the one that pulled the wheels off to begin with back in 2012.

Ah, there we are. I knew it wouldn't be long.

If the game was going under quickly every time someone said this it would have been gone ages ago. If they were in milking mode we wouldn't have GSF or Housing coming, let alone the level boost and expansion later this year.

SWTOR will never have 2 million subs again, and it will never replace WoW. It is, however, a success under the new model, and seems like it's going to continue to be successful for quite a while yet. Will it die? Someday yes, as all MMOs will. However it still has a lot of life left in it, and I (and many hundreds of thousands of other players) will still be enjoying it next year when someone else posts the exact same thing you did. (Just like someone else posted it a year ago.)

I simply do not understand the venom MMO players have for games they don't like (SWTOR in particular). It's very odd: if they decide they hate a game they feel it is imperative to let everyone know and to try to convince everyone to think the same way.

Here's a hint: no one has ever changed anyone else's mind via forum posts about a video game. No "defender" of a game has ever (or will ever) convince a hater that a game is good, and no hater has ever (or will ever) convince someone that likes a game that it is bad. It is absolutely hilarious to see them try, though.

Sure, some folks really like SWTOR. Some really hate it. Because SWTOR is a video game, and like all video games it is a hobby. And like all hobbies some folks will love it and some will hate it. There are some sports fans that love hockey and some that hate it. Some folks love to play golf, others prefer tennis. Yet you never see tennis players on golf forums spending hours trying to convince golfers that golf is boring. Yet this type of insanity goes on all the time in MMO forums.

I hope it never stops, though. It is endlessly entertaining watching video gamers endlessly reinforce all the negative stereotypes about them.

Actually it won't even be someone else. As their history shows, this group is more than capable of paying a sub to troll the forums. So they'll be here next year posting the exact same thing; then the year after that; then the year after that; and so on and so forth for the next 8 years until EA announces that they will be sunsetting the game to make way for another MMO.

On that day, all these people will come to the forums and rejoice - shouting out for all to hear that they were right and the game is dead and the severs getting shut off. They will rub the fact that the game is shutting down in all of our faces while announcing to the world their ingenuity and prowess at predicting the failure of this craptastic game called SWTOR.

Well done, guys, well done. Yes, you were right. The game has died.

no it hasn't, or at least you don't know that, stop saying *** becuase the more you say it hte more you believe it, and may convince others, and if they believe it they won't try , and if they don't try they would waste this outstanding project thinking it failed which is a FALSE PERCEPTION

these guys need to start believing agian, and see what we see, they need to understand exactly what caused the crisis of 2012, - and need to understand what's holding back the floodgates.
that is exactly why the need a big re-launch expansion, making swtor 2 is both un-necessary and unfeasible, but a big 2-year developement expansion, timed for 2015 Star wars movie release would do the job handsomely

it is such an even tthat would attract a lot of players. and WoW can't do that anymore because they've stretched that game beyond its limit, it's 10 years old, this one is 2 years old. many more have come and gone through wow also, this game would be a revelation to most, it's got the A-factor, and the X-factor to amaze. this isn't wow, don't mistake that if wow can't do that they can't. The problem is these guys throw in the towel, and the negativity on these forums does not help at all.
but something doesn't need to make sense to be believed, it never has done and it never will do, making sense helps, but most gamers read reports and make up their minds.

man if i didn't know and play this game I may have been convinced by the trash if not necessarily have believed.. this is the reality the publicity of htis product faces, it's what's out there.. and i think game developers are kidding themselves if they think they cna't best wow. This game can, they threw in the towel way too soon, and didn't understand what they were fighting.. now they have a chance for a fresh percpective, and know how to manage their publicity better. They should go for it again.

I have been here since prior to launch and so has most of my guild members and we still play and enjoy the game.

Is it perfect? No but then nothing in life is perfect. You learn to adjust to things. if you really dislike playing something then move on but what you don't try to do is get everyone to agree with you and then stomp your feet when people don't. People need to learn to accept the fact that just because someone doesn't like something, this game or something else, doesn't mean others will agree with them and just as you expect people to respect your opinion you have to do the same thing without being conscending to the person.

Yes there are probably improvements that could be made and there is a chance they will be made.

As far as SWG being perfect kind of funny what I read on the forums regarding the game now is entirely different than what I read on the SWG forums when I was playing the game. Sometimes I wonder if they are just making SWG out to be this great game now that it has closed because if you had read the forums and listen to the players in the game it was not that great.

I enjoy some aspects of it but it was not perfect.

I'm a returning player; played four months or so at release, and spent the past two years playing other MMOs, including more than a few cash shop games.

SWTOR hasn't really changed in that time. It's greatest advantage at this point is that newer releases aren't any better. Many have tried (and failed) to incorporate cutscenes, generally using better methodology but relying on substandard cutscenes; that is to say, they don't plaster cutscenes everywhere, unlike SWTOR, but the ones they do use aren't as strong a quality as SWTORs. Granted no one else is using those stupid and awful phase portals that really undermine exploration in this game.

Or perhaps its true greatest advantage is that newer MMO releases neglect PvP. GW2 may have launched with a WvWvW system, but it was shallow and would have been well supplemented by a battleground system; like so many other newer MMOs, GW2 thought a (crappy) arena system would be sufficient for boxed PvP, but it isn't. This was always one of WAR's strengths, and I can only assume that when BWA cannibalized Mythic for talent they brought in Mythic's PvP team. Speaking of WAR, there were like 50+ boxed PvP maps, with more than a few excellent maps or map types. COULD YOU PLEASE IMPORT WAR PVP MAPS INTO SWTOR?????

And maybe this last one's peculiar to me, but the game is pretty damn well efficient. I don't have some beast PC that can run at max settings+; I was actually running this using an onboard graphics adapter, until Blizzard forced me to add a proper video card for Diablo 3. It reminds me that one complaint I didn't hear much of at release, and one strength few players really gave this game credit for, is that it was already an efficiently written game. A few modifications here and there, and it very well could have mounted a long-term subscription battle with WoW.

There is absolutely the potential to gain a boost from the movie. Massive hype for the Star Wars world gives great potential to gain many new players. I'm not sure exactly what they should do to maximise this though.

Something big like adding a new class mirrored for each faction would be great. Even though it would be difficult to integrate with the existing leveling process it needs to something like that to get the magazines and websites excited to report on it.

Given that classes all have their own stories 1-50, and the devs said no more class stories, that makes adding a new class entirely unlikely.

SquareEnix almost totally overhauled Final Fantasy XIV, re-releasing it as FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. For endgame PvE enthusiasts, its actually a great game, with a great PvE mechanic progression system and clear skill floors.

Overhauling a game is a steep mountain to climb, but SE has shown that its at least possible.

Indeed. I don't think BW, or much of the playerbase, really thought through the transitioning of KoTOR into an MMO. "No new classes" is the consequence of some terrible design decisions, and really limits their options moving forward.