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More to do with Revan and Revanites please!

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More to do with Revan and Revanites please!

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Adaliaya
03.24.2014 , 02:28 PM | #81
He is gone. Utterly and forever. And I don't miss him. He claims to be a Jedi but he uses Force lighting to my poor Operative. Logic?

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Essence_of_Light
03.24.2014 , 03:23 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Adaliaya View Post
He is gone. Utterly and forever. And I don't miss him. He claims to be a Jedi but he uses Force lighting to my poor Operative. Logic?
First of all, he is not gone forever. I have no doubt he'll be back in some way, shape, or form. You can count on it. No body, no proof of death.

Secondly, your logic is flawed; Force Lightning =/= Sith

Many Jedi used Force Lightning in their lifetimes, including Jolee Bindo, Meetra Surik, Vrook Lamar, Quinlan Vos, Plo Koon, Jaden Korr, Galen Marek, Kyle Katarn, and even Luke Skywalker himself.

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Adaliaya
03.24.2014 , 11:03 PM | #83
Ok, ok, I'm not lore specialist. He may return as force ghost like that female jedi (exile?) in Jedi Prisoner questline or Master Orgus Din did. But I hope he won't return as living, that would be too much. I haven't played kotor but in swtor I didn't even like him; he is a bit full of himself. But again, it's my opinion

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Essence_of_Light
03.24.2014 , 11:37 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Adaliaya View Post
Ok, ok, I'm not lore specialist. He may return as force ghost like that female jedi (exile?) in Jedi Prisoner questline or Master Orgus Din did. But I hope he won't return as living, that would be too much. I haven't played kotor but in swtor I didn't even like him; he is a bit full of himself. But again, it's my opinion
On the contrary, I think it'd be better to have him alive so we can end his storyline in a satisfactory way instead of "He went bat***** crazy and was killed by 4 guys". That just isn't very heroic or logical and doesn't fit his character.

After all, when defeated on the Empire flashpoint "The Foundry" he disappears in a flash of light which could be due to him (potentially) using Fold Space or Teleport.

I agree with his story needing to be sealed, but not the way it currently is left. They should end Revan's story in a respectable manner, and one that makes sense.
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Ticara
03.25.2014 , 06:42 AM | #85
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On the contrary, I think it'd be better to have him alive so we can end his storyline in a satisfactory way instead of "He went bat***** crazy and was killed by 4 guys". That just isn't very heroic or logical and doesn't fit his character.
On the contrary. Revan was always a Well Intentioned Extremist. See the Mandalorian Wars. He also was "brainwashed and crazy" by the Emperor before, and if Kreia is right, his entire campaign as Darth Revan also falls very firmly under the Well Intentioned Extremist category. His plan to wipe out the Empire and the Sith (while completely unrealistic) fits his character very well. After all he has already shown several times that he is willing to do extreme and downright evil things to accomplish something he perceives to be a good outcome.

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After all, when defeated on the Empire flashpoint "The Foundry" he disappears in a flash of light which could be due to him (potentially) using Fold Space or Teleport.

Considering that he quotes Malaks dying words, it is very heavily implied he died in that force explosion.

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DSpectre
03.25.2014 , 10:38 AM | #86
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Considering that he quotes Malaks dying words, it is very heavily implied he died in that force explosion.
That's what Revan would want everyone to believe, hmm? He is a master tactician, always planning ahead and is ruthless about it. He more than likely knew he needed an escape strategy just in case, and his was Fold Space.

His quoting Malak was most likely a lesson in mortality(?) IMO. He realized he isn't invincible and that Inevitability is a *****. It's clear that is power is weaning away from him as the great ToR God (Revan) could be bested by even 4 people when he stood up against the Emperor 300 years prior. His time as prisoner and trying to keep the Emperor out of his mind and also to twist the Emperor's mind into keeping him at bay.


Again, i'm a Revan fan but i do agree they should give him a proper hero's ending. Not in the open-ended way they did in the Foundry.

Refer back to my post on the previous page on how there should be an expansion called the Revanchist's Fall.

However all the evidence CURRENTLY implies he is still alive, mainly based off the fact BW Austin is so sketchy when asked about Revan and they ALWAYS say "Keep Playing and find out".

As hopeful as i am about having a Dedicated expansion, i have a suspicion they will write Revan out like they did the Dread Masters: short "side" story, and a massive 16-man Nightmare Op to physically take Revan down.

(16 people taking on near-God Revan? IDK about you, but that sounds awesome to me regardless).
"Who I am is not important, my message is."
―Revan

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Essence_of_Light
03.25.2014 , 01:34 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Ticara View Post
On the contrary. Revan was always a Well Intentioned Extremist. See the Mandalorian Wars. He also was "brainwashed and crazy" by the Emperor before, and if Kreia is right, his entire campaign as Darth Revan also falls very firmly under the Well Intentioned Extremist category. His plan to wipe out the Empire and the Sith (while completely unrealistic) fits his character very well. After all he has already shown several times that he is willing to do extreme and downright evil things to accomplish something he perceives to be a good outcome.




Considering that he quotes Malaks dying words, it is very heavily implied he died in that force explosion.
I admit I forgot about how much of an extremist he was, but that still does not deny the fact that, he should be given a better ending to his story. This is the guy who fought Mandalore the Ultimate, fought and killed his former best friend, Malak, went on a huge journey to get to DK, and after being captured resisted the Emperor's influence for 300 years.

As to the "force explosion" part, I doubt that is correct. If you watch The Foundry (Youtube) he dissapears in a small flash of light as some lightning sizzles down. If you research Force Explosion on Wookieepedia, you can see instead of a small burst of light and some lightning; it is a huge burst of Dark Side Energy in which the individual is consumed by it (as seen here).

To me that doesn't look like what happened to Revan, not to mention I doubt Bioware would kill such an important character off like that.
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Darth_Wicked
03.25.2014 , 02:04 PM | #88
Technically speaking, he didn't get to Dromund Kaas the second time around on his own. He was rather captured by Scourge and Nyriss, when he was about to land on Nathema if memory serves me right.

Also, it's Mandalore. The Ultimate is highly displeased.
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How's it possible they never included his armor thus far?

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Essence_of_Light
03.25.2014 , 02:55 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post
Technically speaking, he didn't get to Dromund Kaas the second time around on his own. He was rather captured by Scourge and Nyriss, when he was about to land on Nathema if memory serves me right.

Also, it's Mandalore. The Ultimate is highly displeased.
Spoiler

EDIT:

How's it possible they never included his armor thus far?
Typo fixed.

No idea, maybe it'll be included in a pack sometime?

As for the capture, I have no doubt that if they didn't capture Revan he would have made it to DK one way or another (or maybe not, but either way it is impressive he didn't go insane in the prison considering he didn't get to change clothes, bathe,talk to anyone besides Scourage & Nyriss, or leave his cell). Not to mention he left all his friends,wife, and his soon-to-be-born son behind (that is no small feat).
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DSpectre
03.25.2014 , 02:58 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post
Technically speaking, he didn't get to Dromund Kaas the second time around on his own. He was rather captured by Scourge and Nyriss, when he was about to land on Nathema if memory serves me right.
You'd be correct.

Still, he did alot of great things. IMO more and better than Luke ever did.

But there is a certain point where one should "level out" before becoming a Force God. Luke was carried too far and now lots hate him. I hate him because like his father, he is a whiney brat.

Revan still has potential when you think about it.

But i feel that fans have ruined his image in a way by carrying lore too far and given that BW is making him look like he is invincible, people will go off in wild tangents and then it gets out of hand.

Bioware (Technically Lucas) created him, it should be up to Bioware to end him.

Not gonna lie, i'll cry when that day comes, but oh well. Means they did it right.
"Who I am is not important, my message is."
―Revan