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Devs at the latest cantina: Class Story, not at the moment...

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Devs at the latest cantina: Class Story, not at the moment...

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Vandicus
03.25.2014 , 10:14 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I'm certain we can all be hypocritical at times, telling someone not to do something you did (like smoking for example) is hypocrisy, yet it could also be a warning to avoid mistakes you've learned from.

When someone calls out someone in their opening statement for using a WORD and then goes on for 2 more paragraphs to use the SAME word in the SAME way, it becomes something more.
Well if we're discussing the validity of its usage in Andryah's statements, the only time its used hypocritically is when it first appears, appearing to state as fact that we all would like more class story, whereas the latter one is qualified with a statement of being a belief.

The main issue behind using "we" in discussions or debates is that its often(though not so frequently on this forum because of how quickly its called out) used to establish a false majority or false consensus to use as a basis for one's argument. I don't think its necessary to really bring up its usage except in cases where its used like this, and frankly it seems to be brought up even in situations where the poster is not trying to use it in that fashion.
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03.25.2014 , 10:15 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
It'd be nice to see that if they have changed it. Otherwise can't we expect them to repeat what they've done? Makeb, Oricon, Dread Fortress & Palace...
Kinda what I was thinking...they want to make it personal, yet generic..."Hey Trooper" or "Master Jedi"...
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03.25.2014 , 10:16 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by ImmortalLowlife View Post
I like to think of this game as an all you can eat buffet. The food is GREAT, but after you finish your 1st plate (1-50 class stories) you're only allowed to eat liver & onions (Planetary quest) because that's easier to make. How long would any Buffet with a policy like this last? Not very long....yet that's essentially what BW/ EA are doing. They're saying "we don't care what you say you want (housing, guild ships, legacy banks) It's too difficult...this is what we're doing and that's that". Then when they start hemorrhaging subs it's "wait....look you said you wanted (housing, guild ships, legacy banks) Well here it is! Please stay/come back! PvP players begged for y'all to implement things to the game that would make it more enjoyable to them. You didn't listen or made excuses as to why it couldn't be done. And when they left in droves and turned the PvP servers into ghost towns, NOW you start paying attention and doing things to win them back. Now you're facing the same situation again with the players who for 2 years have been begging for more class specific stories. Are you REALLY gonna make THE EXACT SAME MISTAKE AGAIN?

A LOT OF US WANT MORE CLASS SPECIFIC STORIES!
Please remember that for some of us, some of the class stories are the "liver and onions" because we find some class mechanics, to put it mildly, unfun.

Please remember, too, that class stories ended on Corellia. Ilum, a planet in the initial release of the game, had none. Faction stories after the class stories ended have been the direction of the game since well before release.

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Darth_Wicked
03.25.2014 , 10:16 AM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
Well if we're discussing the validity of its usage in Andryah's statements, the only time its used hypocritically is when it first appears, appearing to state as fact that we all would like more class story, whereas the latter one is qualified with a statement of being a belief.

The main issue behind using "we" in discussions or debates is that its often(though not so frequently on this forum because of how quickly its called out) used to establish a false majority or false consensus to use as a basis for one's argument. I don't think its necessary to really bring up its usage except in cases where its used like this, and frankly it seems to be brought up even in situations where the poster is not trying to use it in that fashion.
Them it's a flaw in one's linguistic capabilities?

EDIT:

Also, on my Jedi Knights, my story ended...
Spoiler

We're special after all.

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Vandicus
03.25.2014 , 10:17 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
It'd be nice to see that if they have changed it. Otherwise can't we expect them to repeat what they've done? Makeb, Oricon, Dread Fortress & Palace...
Daily zones have no clear pattern regarding whether they will be standalone or tied to a larger story arc. Likewise for the release of flashpoints. Operations have had a clear story tie-in(not ridiculously obscure that is) since Denova, but that could change with us entering a new story arc, which appears to be introduced through flashpoints(unlike the Dread Masters which were introduced through planetary storylines or operations respective to faction).
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DarthTHC
03.25.2014 , 10:19 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Kinda what I was thinking...they want to make it personal, yet generic..."Hey Trooper" or "Master Jedi"...
Don't they do that already though? Srs question, I don't remember with certainty.

I might have to play another character into Makeb or Oricon to see if the NPC's use class titles in the cutscenes.

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TUXs
03.25.2014 , 10:22 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Don't they do that already though? Srs question, I don't remember with certainty.

I might have to play another character into Makeb or Oricon to see if the NPC's use class titles in the cutscenes.
I actually can't tell ya for certain, I "thought" they did based on memory of the players I was with or helped, but I did Makeb once with my Mando, the next intro bit with my Vanguard and never took another toon there for anything.

EDIT: Watching this video, I assure you my Trooper had a different intro.
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Darth_Wicked
03.25.2014 , 10:22 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
Daily zones have no clear pattern regarding whether they will be standalone or tied to a larger story arc. Likewise for the release of flashpoints. Operations have had a clear story tie-in(not ridiculously obscure that is) since Denova, but that could change with us entering a new story arc, which appears to be introduced through flashpoints(unlike the Dread Masters which were introduced through planetary storylines or operations respective to faction).
This is kinda inaccurate.

Every single daily area we got after the game's release has been connected to one another somehow, with the exception of CZ-198, which is standalone and has a couple of flashpoints bridging the gap.

The Black Hole is introduced after the Empire looses Corellia and is running low on supplies, due to the events on Denova and Hutt Space, possibly even Makeb as well. Section X is related to the Dread Masters obtaining the Aurora Cannon, while Oricon is where their fortress lies.

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Vandicus
03.25.2014 , 10:25 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post
This is kinda inaccurate.

Every single daily area we got after the game's release has been connected to one another somehow, with the exception of CZ-198, which is standalone and has a couple of flashpoints bridging the gap.

The Black Hole is introduced after the Empire looses Corellia and is running low on supplies, due to the events on Denova and Hutt Space, possibly even Makeb as well. Section X is related to the Dread Masters obtaining the Aurora Cannon, while Oricon is where their fortress lies.
I had been under the impression that Black Hole was standalone. Section X I'm well aware is connected to the Dread Masters. It seems to me that we've got 2 daily zones that are very connected to the Dread Masters arc, 1 daily zone connected to the Malgus arc, and 3 daily zones that are standalone or very close to it(namely Belsavis, CZ-198, and Black Hole).
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Andryah
03.25.2014 , 10:26 AM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post
I do agree with your earlier assessment but saying that people accepted the faction story arcs, when this section of the forum CLEARLY indicates otherwise, every so often, is a huge stretch.
Actually, it's simpler then this.

While there have been a few vocal forum members that has stated that they has (or will) quit in the absence of more class story.... it's not common. Heck even the topic is not THAT common any more.... meaning most people have come to embrace what they have said, rather then pretend otherwise.
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