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YoshiRaphElan
03.19.2014 , 12:02 PM | #1
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Darth_Wicked
03.19.2014 , 12:56 PM | #2
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Frenesi
03.19.2014 , 01:02 PM | #3
Can you remind this part? Just did the agent storyline, but don't remember his name mentioned
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YoshiRaphElan
03.19.2014 , 01:24 PM | #4
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Can you remind this part? Just did the agent storyline, but don't remember his name mentioned
It's in the finale, on the Star Cabal ship. Basically the guy just namedrops him like:

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Something like that.

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Darth_Wicked
03.19.2014 , 01:52 PM | #5
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It's in the finale, on the Star Cabal ship. Basically the guy just namedrops him like:

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Something like that.
What he actually says is...
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VitalityPrime
03.19.2014 , 01:59 PM | #6
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I don't understand how you can say it's meaningless.

I never understood the mass effect hate in this regard either.

For me, in a RPG...simply having the choice makes all the difference for me.

My character letting someone live...only for them to be killed by someone else later...is vastly different than my character killing that person....in my opinion.
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Darth_Wicked
03.19.2014 , 02:10 PM | #7
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I don't understand how you can say it's meaningless.
It's easy once you read it or when you're not too occupied preaching.

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I never understood the mass effect hate in this regard either.
It's been stated what's the issue concerning ME3 plenty of times. Also, not sure when I used the word "hate".

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For me, in a RPG...simply having the choice makes all the difference for me.
Congratulations.

I, on the other hand, would like to believe that the decisions I make in the game are final and that they are NOT out of my reach, namely by having the choice I made being overridden in a rather arbitrary fashion, which is the case here.

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My character letting someone live...only for them to be killed by someone else later...is vastly different than my character killing that person....in my opinion.
And like I said, the choice is meaningless from the moment whatever you choose is overridden arbitrary, without even being addressed as to the "WHY" the latter decision was taken.
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VitalityPrime
03.19.2014 , 02:19 PM | #8
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It's easy once you read it or when you're not too occupied preaching.



It's been stated what's the issue concerning ME3 plenty of times. Also, not sure when I used the word "hate".



Congratulations.

I, on the other hand, would like to believe that the decisions I make in the game are final and that they are NOT out of my reach, namely by having the choice I made being overridden in a rather arbitrary fashion, which is the case here.



And like I said, the choice is meaningless from the moment whatever you choose is overridden arbitrary, without even being addressed as to the "WHY" the latter decision was taken.
I didn't mean to say you were hating on Mass Effect. I just trying to say that a lot of the hate (in general) for Mass Effect was about this sort of thing.

Anyways...to each their own.
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Darth_Wicked
03.19.2014 , 02:32 PM | #9
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I didn't mean to say you were hating on Mass Effect. I just trying to say that a lot of the hate (in general) for Mass Effect was about this sort of thing.
The criticism was entirely warranted.

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Anyways...to each their own.
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Again, this is a game but for both a developer who ALWAYS loved to brag that choices matter, they do take their time to show otherwise, every so often.

Worse of all, as stated already, is the rather arbitrary fashion in which they approach it.
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Beniboybling
03.19.2014 , 05:37 PM | #10
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...and reminded me of the whole ME3 debacle, where your choices were ultimately meaningless.
I LOL'ed.
Quote: Originally Posted by VitalityPrime View Post
I don't understand how you can say it's meaningless.

I never understood the mass effect hate in this regard either.

For me, in a RPG...simply having the choice makes all the difference for me.

My character letting someone live...only for them to be killed by someone else later...is vastly different than my character killing that person....in my opinion.
I agree, and I think Wicked's response merely reinforces the point, just look at the amount of depth he added to that choice! Ultimately our characters make up a framework of billions of other beings, and it would be strange if any of the choices we made became set in stone forever. The same can be said of real life. "My choices don't matter" actually adds a whole other dynamic to the RPG experience. What exactly makes a choice 'matter', the act or the outcome?

Ultimately though I suppose its both a matter of taste and perspective.

Though I feel my choice would have still mattered anyway, because it defines the sort of person my character is.