Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Canino

03.17.2014 , 07:05 PM \| #421	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial Weve been over this many times and it's starting to upset me how many times I've had to tell people the difference between Dramatic Irony and Canon Informafion. WE know that he wanted to rebuild the republic thanks to his talks with Surik. THE ENTIRE GALAXY thought he was a harsh crime boss who sold slaves, stole, pirated and pillaged for his own good. No one in the galaxy thought he was a nice man, and with army's of machines designed for mass murder, and with Assassin droids taking up important roles in leadership, he won't be able to change that image. And if he tries, he loses the underworld. Besides, merely the sight of the B1's is going to bring back bad memories for the Mon cala... And he wouldn't tell them why? He told Surik because she was his best chance to actually do anything. The Mon Cal sort of fill that spot. As do all of his planets/populations. The rest of the galaxy? I think you mean Nar Shaddaa- and that was because of his bounty on Jedi (again, so he could use them to rebuild). EDIT: Sel, am I ever wrong
STATEMENT: I'm just a simple assassin...I mean bodyguard, master. You have nothing to fear. ---------

Aurbere

03.17.2014 , 07:07 PM \| #422	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino If I have time today or tomorrow (most likely tomorrow) I'll try to debate all points regarding Order 66, culminating in why it would succeed. Aurbere, if you would be so kind, could you please list all of the points you believe prove that Order 66 wouldn't work (just bullet briefly)? It would just make it a lot easier for me, as opposed to digging through the entire thread for specific posts. If I don't get it tomorrow or today, I'll shoot for later this week. However, I'm on a busy schedule, so I can't promise anything. OK, here it is. Step 1: Get visual contact with the Clones. Step 2: Realize that they are Clones. Step 3: Think that their cloners made contingency plans or engineered weaknesses into them. Step 4: Find out who cloned them. Step 5: Get the information out of the Kaminoans. The issue is that most of those steps are leaps in logic.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Canino

03.17.2014 , 07:09 PM \| #423	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere OK, here it is. Step 1: Get visual contact with the Clones. Step 2: Realize that they are Clones. Step 3: Think that their cloners made contingency plans or engineered weaknesses into them. Step 4: Find out who cloned them. Step 5: Get the information out of the Kaminoans. The issue is that most of those steps are leaps in logic. Thank you very much
STATEMENT: I'm just a simple assassin...I mean bodyguard, master. You have nothing to fear. ---------

Aurbere

03.17.2014 , 07:20 PM \| #424	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo Has it been brought up yet that DS might be able to disable planetary shields with smuggled in assassin droids? Just a thought that came to mind, if they are programmed to murder surely it is not that far of a stretch that they can at least cause distractions on the ground. The issue is getting past the planetary defenses, security checks, etc. Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo It is also possible that the DS could use their high quality of assassination skills to spread terror and fear across the AE that would make the population uneasy. Granted they would eventually be soothed by Mothma, but it would only take temporary instability for the DS to have success on one of the less defended targets. How exactly? Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo Any ideas on the rate of production for the Black Sun frigates? The AE Capital ships? That will help determine how much each side can afford to lose before they unable to compete. Not to mention that as was stated earlier the 212th will have no replacements and with them gone...Well, lets just say the AE's ground force is significantly weaker. They were good, but they were not invincible. It is highly likely that the droids will be mass produced enough to significantly outlast the 212th legion and help the DS to take control of the ground warfare. The AE has two mega-shipyards, one to produce capital vessels, the other to produce frigates and smaller ships. The DS only has one, one that may not even be very effective if the Mon Calamarians decide to help the AE. Regarding ground forces, the AE has more than the 212th. I'll show you later. Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo As for the distribution of the AE's navy it is very true that the ISD's and the Executor will be extremely formidable likely requiring the entire DS navy to combat. This is where production will come into play. I have no doubt that with the use of Sabotage and surprise attacks that the AE's frigates and corvette class ships will soon be destroyed. This will cause the AE ship production to make a drastic decision. Focus on replacing the easier to replace smaller vessels, or continue trying to build the elite vessels that are severely stronger. If they choose to replace the smaller vessels it is only a matter of time before they are whittled down with the ISD's. If they choose to continue building ISD's and ignore the issue of no support ships or at least lower priority/resources for them then the build time alone will allow the DS to pull ahead. Like I said, two mega-shipyards. They don't have to make a drastic decision. They can do both. Further, the AE's frigates and Corvettes are more than capable of taking on DS ships. Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo When the Executor joins a navy battle the DS will be forced to retreat immediately so they will lose very little. However, if the DS is able to cripple the AE's frigates enough and eventually a few of the ISD their numbers will be significantly depleted, but planetary shields will hold for much longer. This time buys the DS more time to build and replace what they have lost. This time allows the DS to sabotage more and more facilities. This time, will allow the DS to win by economic means as well as by attrition. If they just manage to cripple the Executors engines some how they will be in an even greater position. DS ships can't leave when an Interdictor is in the AE fleet. The Executor is a monster. It took the concentrated fire of the entire Rebel Command Fleet to even bring its shields down. Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo It should be reminded that the DS is highly populated by the underworld and yet it sounds like you are all talking conventional tactics. Tactics a government or a formal force would use. They are not formal. They are dirty, they are shifty, they have contacts on every world. They have all they need to cause chaos in the AE infrastructure that will allow them to cripple the AE's home-front. Criminals of this caliber tend to not care about the effect their actions have on innocent civilians as long as they achieve what they want. In order to completely eliminate this weakness the AE would have to become similar to the DS is several ways, and they do not seem like ones to sacrifice their ideals. "We are at a disadvantage, Captain, because we will not abandon our ideals to win. If we became the enemy in our hearts and minds, then our victory would be for nothing."- Jedi Master Plo Koon I approve of you using that quote. However, I'm not sure what you mean by the AE having to become like the DS. In what ways?
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Aurbere

03.17.2014 , 07:21 PM \| #425	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino Thank you very much You're welcome.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

tunewalker

03.17.2014 , 07:30 PM \| #426	Quote
Honestly I don't think GO-TO's programming choice may allow him any action save for the peaceful board meeting one. This is turning into a war and no war has ever left the republic off better then it was before the war. GO-TO knows this. He doesn't want a war and neither does Mothma I think both will see the benefit of solving this personally and peacefully. GO-TO with the assassin/terror droids and Mothma with the knights.

Silenceo

03.17.2014 , 07:35 PM \| #427	Quote
What I was referencing at the end there was the fact that the Exchange is likely already on the majority of the AE's worlds, for certain on Coruscant. They could very likely cause an extreme amount of chaos by adopting terrorist type tactics on the AE worlds. The exchange likely has plenty of pull, and likely does this very often, to bribe local officials that are not important characters so likely will not have too high of a chance to go against it to enter the planets atmosphere. The Black Sun I know for a fact had to do this on Coruscant just to keep their business running. It is mainly the CORRUPTION that I was referring to in that longer post that I was trying to show would play a major factor. The leaders of the AE may be shining Paladins in white armor, but the average citizens and sometimes lowly officers are just looking to make ends meet. An organization as widespread and powerful as the Exchange not to mention the Black Sun crew members could give tips if needed could use terror tactics on local populations to force those with weaker wills to do as they wish. Granted, if there is a strong military presence on the planet they would have to work more covert. There would be much going on in the shadows for the DS when facing such a Righteous government that they have had plenty of experience outwitting before.
"What I unveil today will mark a new era for the Empire. We will be able to decimate the Rebels just as we did the Jedi Knights. At last the Emperor's war will be filled only with the glory and beauty of decisive victory."―Rom Mohc Never force a droid to think without numbers...

Beniboybling

03.18.2014 , 12:17 PM \| #428	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere I'm pretty sure he does. He coordinated the defense of the planet multiple times. He knows the defensive measures of the planet. Then you have the 212th having the information Obi-Wan doesn't. None of that includes what I just listed, so yeah sure. However you should also consider that the base of their operations will be on Timira, not Tipoca city. Which as far as we know Kenobi has never visited.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Beniboybling

03.18.2014 , 12:34 PM \| #429	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere OK, here it is. Step 1: Get visual contact with the Clones. Step 2: Realize that they are Clones. Step 3: Get the information from of the Kaminoans. The issue is that most of those steps are leaps in logic. Fixed.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Aurbere

03.18.2014 , 12:43 PM \| #430	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling Fixed. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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