Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

its not like we all havent faced long odds before against multiple people supporting a side, dont worry I am sure a certain degree of neutrality will remain for the most part among most others.

Hopefully. Still, I don't have a lot of time over the next few weeks, so I'm not going to be able to debate as much as I would like.

Four DS supporters. Warren, Canino, Shadow, and Silenceo.

That's four arguments I'll have to deal with, which will grow exponentially as the debate carries on.

In regards to space, I don't think we should so readily assume that the AE 'dominates' in this category. And this is because they are up against a considerable numerical advantage, purely in terms of numbers the AE are outnumbered roughly 4 to 1. If we take into account the fact that the majority of the AE fleet is comprised of Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers (of which roughly 4 = Star Destroyer) we are talking outnumbered roughly 8 to 1.

Now OOM command battle droids may be a bit shoddy when it comes to tactical ability, but I expect that G0-T0 could easily coordinate them en masse via a central droid computer. And many times during the war the CIS defeated the Republic, despite tactical inferiority, simply thoroughly overwhelming numerical odds. The same applies for ground.

Just something to consider.

I would whole heartily agree with this. The numerical advantage of the DS was taken into consideration when I was thinking about Navies. I was giving the AE the overall advantage here because its overall slightly greater fire power, but even that is not the end all, mostly I believe its the tactitians that do this. Garm, Mothma to a degree, Obi-wan, and Plo Koon are ALL better tactitians then any one the DS has and the clone commanders I would say are ussually better then Droid commanders. In the end its the tactical capabilties of the 2 groups that I believe gives the AE the edge in space combat.

The AE have greater firepower? I don't know about that. To argue that you'd have to claim that an ISD is are more than equal to 8 of the DS's number. They are powerful, but they don't possess that kind of firepower I think.

Especially if G0-T0 chooses to upgrade them, so as with missiles, faster engines and improved shielding.

remind me what are teh numbers again, the AE has 45 right? and the DS has 200.


Edit: honestly I do believe the IMP II has more firepower then 8 Interceptors, but the interceptors overall shields and hulls along with maneuverablitlty would potentially be able to outfight one 4:1, but that I think would require the greater tactics honestly I think it still comes down to what I said before, Tactitians make the difference here more then the ships, and teh AE has it the advantage there, for that reason alone I have to give the space edge to the AE.

And you may be right. At least in Empire at War the Interceptors are fairly flimsy. And I'd hazard a guess that one Imp II would be enough to destroy them - but that's hazy memory and game mechanics talking here.

If we're considering in-game mechanics, someone should have chosen the Millennium Falcon as their navy, because it could just go invincible and kill everything.

But seriously, I'm not sure in-game mechanics are what we should look at for comparing these.

On the other hand, the Interdictor-class Frigate is said to have comparable shields to a Nebulon-B Frigate and similar maneuverability. So, due to the Universal Tech Rule, we can assume that this ship is at least "Average" strength for its time. Granted that the AE ships are "Advanced" for their time, but I doubt that one advanced ship could take on four average ships.

And the number comparison will likely be less than 4 to 1. If the AE leaves five ships at each world to defend, that narrows down their attacking force to 25.