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Understanding what the smash nerf ACTUALLY does.

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Understanding what the smash nerf ACTUALLY does.

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Tevzz
02.28.2014 , 06:11 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaerah View Post
The good thing is, smashers are totally predictable. They (wrongly) WILL charge, actually you recognize the good ones because they don't play like copycats. Basically they telegraph their AoE with their mere being in charge range. That's also why it's so easy to avoid them. Most play like bad monkeys, all you need to do is to "see warrior get in range => strafe a bit => in the meanwhile, almost invariably, the guy shall leap and smash... into nothing (you just strafed away).
Both Leaps root, so unless you have a KB or movement increase most of the time, you'll eat that Smash.
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Vaerah
02.28.2014 , 06:18 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Tevzz View Post
Both Leaps root, so unless you have a KB or movement increase most of the time, you'll eat that Smash.
Well, it does not happen, so either I do something good or they do something bad.
I also am often on the move so the mere server lag makes sure they won't land in the best spot to hit me.

Also, I read in many guides about how useless is Creeping Terror (madness top talent) yet I think it's godly. 2s stun (+ DoT) on gore (carnage)? Half of it is gone. Knockback + 2s stun? There you go with yer smash.

Sure I die a lot vs good warriors (if they are in premade) BUT they are so few that I spend whole evenings at complete peace
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Tevzz
02.28.2014 , 06:23 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaerah View Post
Well, it does not happen, so either I do something good or they do something bad.
I also am often on the move so the mere server lag makes sure they won't land in the best spot to hit me.

Also, I read in many guides about how useless is Creeping Terror (madness top talent) yet I think it's godly. 2s stun (+ DoT) on gore (carnage)? Half of it is gone. Knockback + 2s stun? There you go with yer smash.

Sure I die a lot vs good warriors (in premade) BUT they are so few that I spend whole evenings at complete peace
Well technically Creeping Terror is a root, Not a stun so it doesn't deny Carnage a Gore window if they root you with Ravage/Deadly Throw/Force Charge but I agree that this 2s Root works wonders and using Overload->Creeping Terror is quite good for kiting...since it allows you to run for quite a bit too. I also noticed that when fighting smashers Carnage Predation allows you to get away from Smash Range quite often if all they do is Obliterate->Smash.
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MotorCityMan
02.28.2014 , 06:47 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Tevzz View Post
Erm no, it does Happen...all the time. Make a Smasher and you'll see anybody you'll ask will tell you that. Stop pulling numbers out of your ***.
Oh we're into negative characterizations and the L2P trolling now.
Try this on for size.
How bout you quit being so butt hurt because the AoE portion of an ability that everyone agrees is OP is getting scaled back for pvp only? Make a smasher and find out what it really does.

When you start with the name calling I will save myself the trouble of having to make another post and just say for the record. I am rubber and you are glue and whatever you call me bounces off of me and sticks to you !

That should about cover anything else you might have to say.

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Telaan
02.28.2014 , 06:50 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
Oh for Pete's sake, they have tons of other abilities already. They just have to learn to press more than 2 buttons.
This statement right here pretty much disqualifies you from having any credibility. Rage specs damage comes from smash. The rest of the abilities are primarily filler moves used to build rage or to spam for cd reduction. You can argue why smash was was poorly designed as a tree, which I'd agree with; but, smash is one of the lowest parsing single target DPS specs in game. There's some between the lines understanding you need to have here.

If you honestly think most rage/focus players only push two buttons.....lol. Posting lolerkats l2pushmoarthan2buttuns makes you sound like a mindless hater who really has no idea how the spec works and came here to post cause you died in pvp.
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Telaan
02.28.2014 , 06:56 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
You come back when your non-crit non-shockwave-stacked Smash hits for only 2k. WON'T EVER HAPPEN. NOT EVEN IF YOU ARE WEARING SLIPPERS!
Yes it does. Roll a Vengence toon and smash a geared player. It'll crit for 3.5k....maybe. 2k is average.
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MotorCityMan
02.28.2014 , 06:57 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Telaan View Post
This statement right here pretty much disqualifies you from having any credibility. Rage specs damage comes from smash. The rest of the abilities are primarily filler moves used to build rage or to spam for cd reduction. You can argue why smash was was poorly designed as a tree, which I'd agree with; but, smash is one of the lowest parsing single target DPS specs in game. Posting lolerkats l2pushmoarthan2buttuns makes you sound like a mindless hater who really has no idea how the spec works and came here to post cause you died in pvp.
Ok, I'll play the name calling game for a post. How's this?

And you resorting to name calling to win a discussion makes you sound like a degraded adolescent that instead of posting on the internet should be cleaning their messy room. Besides that you're a poopoo head !

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Telaan
02.28.2014 , 07:02 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
And you resorting to name calling to win a discussion makes you sound like a degraded adolescent that instead of posting on the internet should be cleaning their messy room.
Sorry I hurt your e-feelings. But, it doesn't change the fact that one of two things is going on in this thread:
1) you're trolololing your way through it. If so, 6/10.
2) you have no idea what you're talking about....at all....
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MotorCityMan
02.28.2014 , 07:07 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Telaan View Post
Sorry I hurt your e-feelings. But, it doesn't change the fact that one of two things is going on in this thread:
1) you're trolololing your way through it. If so, 6/10.
2) you have no idea what you're talking about....at all....

1)Well another thing going on in this thread is that you are trolling me because you don't have any facts, just made up assertions.
2)And I'm sorry too for boxing your virtual ears and putting you in your e-place.

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Telaan
02.28.2014 , 07:15 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
1)Well another thing going on in this thread is that you are trolling me because you don't have any facts, just made up assertions.
2)And I'm sorry too for boxing your ears and putting you in your place.
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
It will hit for more than 2k hits, more like 4.5 at least. You can't just go by tooltip dmg. You have to factor in bonus dmg, etc. And I am wondering what you are comparing it to when you say under-perform? Offhand I can't think of any other ability that does 9k on a single target with 4-5k AoE dmg ( or more) on a short CD. It still is OP.

If not having OP abilities means a spec is unplayable for someone, good.
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
Oh for Pete's sake, they have tons of other abilities already. They just have to learn to press more than 2 buttons.
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
You come back when your non-crit non-shockwave-stacked Smash hits for only 2k. WON'T EVER HAPPEN. NOT EVEN IF YOU ARE WEARING SLIPPERS!
Your trolling started getting meh about here:

Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
Oh we're into negative characterizations and the L2P trolling now.
Try this on for size.
How bout you quit being so butt hurt because the AoE portion of an ability that everyone agrees is OP is getting scaled back for pvp only? Make a smasher and find out what it really does.

When you start with the name calling I will save myself the trouble of having to make another post and just say for the record. I am rubber and you are glue and whatever you call me bounces off of me and sticks to you !

That should about cover anything else you might have to say.
Keep your facts rolling though lol.
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