Is SWTOR the pariah of MMOs?

Actually, WoW is the only MMO in which general chat isn't brimming with endless and pointless discussions about other MMOs. Sadly, in all other MMOs, including SWTOR, general chat revolves around the comparisons with WoW ... so sick and tired of this. Inferiority complex is strong!

It happens, I've seen it; just not all the time. But so many WoW players have only ever played WoW or else they played EQ a long time ago.

It's because just about everyone who is playing swtor has played WoW and either now hates it because all their friends are still there and they can't stand pandas, or else they played it long ago and look back on the early days with rose-colored glass nostalgia.
(or both)

I generally enjoy this game, but most of your post is nonsense. This game failed to meet almost every single expectation possible. Most of that was due to bw's failure to listen to those of us who full time tested in regards to almost everything.

- The game was launched far too soon.
- The time between beta server wipes was ridiculously short; and as a result most if the "endgame" remained virtually untested.
- What LITTLE endgame existed was shallow, bug ridden, and extremely laggy.
- The game takes the idea of theme park, which was honed to a science in WoW, and took it to an unhealthy level. As a result every planet just seems like a large dungeon. It makes WoW appear borderline sandbox.
- PvP failed to deliver on every level. It has since been run into the ground, ending up where we are today with garbage arenas; which a vast majority of players were vehemently against both pre and post launch.
- Poor Dev -> player interaction early after launch, setting the tone for future reaction from playerbase.
- The game missing many features which have become expected of a modern, post WoW, theme park mmo.

I could go on, but you get the point. Like I said, I generally enjoy this game. But the bitterness expressed by ex-players and the reputation it has is WELL deserved.

There is no reason to worry not when others speak bad of you, it is when they no longer speak about you at all when you need to start worrying.

SWTOR, like WoW and GW2 are succesful because people still complain about it. The fact people do means the game still matters.
Who complains about RIFT anymore these days? Or TSW? Or other, truly unsuccesful, MMO's?

Heh.

The guy above is right. As long as they speak about it, it's fine.

Just look at Secret World.

That's a truly fail game.

Not SWTOR, Not GW2.

No hatred, thanks
Was typing in a hurry

A lot of people complain about SWG, or rather it's "upgrades".

That's because WoW's gen chat was usually (until I quit with Pandaria):

Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker ad nauseum
Anal {ability/quest/weapon/whatever}
racist/sexist/over the top political stupidity - I remember playing not long into 2009 when people were happily referring to the recently elected US President as "N-word"
"Why is Arthas' horse named Invincible if I can see him?" spam
"What is love?"
Special character flooding of gen chat
Gold spam


Whereas TOR chat is usually:

Jawa + movie title
people trading, forming ops, or telling people to queue for PvP
Some sexist and political talk, but nothing like in WoW
LOTS of amusement trolling Imp side (i.e. trolling for the "lulz")
complaining about WoW, TOR, EA, Blizzard, any and all games
Gold spam

So you're right, WoW didn't discuss other MMOs. That would have raised the level of discourse.

I'm surprised none of the usual EAware white knights have shown up yet, it must be passed their bed time.

But yeah, SWTOR does tend to get more hate than other MMO's, at least from what I've seen. Even from talking to people IRL about games, when I bring up that I play TOR, they look at me funny and say something along the lines of " Ugh why? Didn't that game die? ". I believe it's more misinformation than anything, as is the case with most things. People who have never played the game just hear that it died, and that's what they believe and regurgitate.

The main reason I play TOR is because it's Star Wars. Another reason is that I can be casual in this game and not care, where as with other MMOs like WoW, I always felt like I needed to sink hours and hours into progression raiding and arena in order to be happy with the game. But is this a "good" MMO? not really. If you replaced the star wars setting and made the exact same game but as a typical fantasy based MMO, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, and I'm sure a lot of others feel that way.

I think it comes down to individual experiences

I played City of Heroes for 8 years and would still be there ... thx NCSoft ...

So I went looking for a replacement game and tried out quite a few other MMOs
eg
Champions Online - Life Subscriber
Star Trek Online - Life Subscriber
Marvel Heroes
Lotro
Lol
Aion
etc etc etc

Which one did I find suited what I wanted to play , swtor

Each person is different in my view , like some people like pasta and others hate pasta
Some just keep eating Pasta so they can tell everyone they hate pasta