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DarthTHC
02.12.2014 , 08:05 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Mortelus View Post
I have made money from crafting on Artifice, plenty, hilts mainly. My point is that is becomes the only thing you craft, and then TBH i would make more money selling the mats. Only reason i craft is to gear my self with best hilts and crystals crafting allows.
Again, that's interesting. While I have seen hilt prices approach those of materials (about 850k for mats on my server), it happens exceedingly rarely and with very few patterns. Most of the time hilts hover around 1,35 mil.

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Mortelus
02.12.2014 , 08:43 AM | #62
My last post did go a bit far on the ranting, early morning and all. Everyone is entitled to play a game and spend money how they would like to. that is correct.

Mats cost about the same as hilts usually, if you also take into the fact mission costs etc.., normally they end up costing more.

But i stand by the fact this game could and should have been much more than it is. EA milk the CM for all the micro-transactions they can and it has a negative effect on the game economy and crafting system.

And whilst i don't think it will happen soon, this game will close down eventually because of EA's greed and inability to understand how to provide good customer service and listen to player feedback.
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Vandicus
02.12.2014 , 09:00 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Mortelus View Post

But i stand by the fact this game could and should have been much more than it is. EA milk the CM for all the micro-transactions they can and it has a negative effect on the game economy and crafting system.

And whilst i don't think it will happen soon, this game will close down eventually because of EA's greed and inability to understand how to provide good customer service and listen to player feedback.
Anything can be much more than it is. Very few people agree on any particular direction for "improvement" regarding anything.

The game's making money, and even in a full-blown maintenance mode would probably be profitable till the day they had to renew an individual license for it. You're looking at ~8 years or SWTOR 2 before this really comes up.

I don't think you should be playing the game. You're clearly not enjoying yourself. Although some find the idea of "Don't like it, don't play it" offensive, its pretty much how I operate and I think gamers in general should operate. I don't play Terraria, Starbound, Minecraft despite my friends' enjoyment of those games, because I don't like those games myself. Its perfectly fine to dislike a game, and perfectly fine to state your reasons for disliking it(although you've been rather vague aside from housing and a few incorrect statements). If there's a possibility of the game one day suiting your tastes, come back on that day. If not, simply find another game out of the tens of thousands available.
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SW-TORtanic
02.12.2014 , 09:02 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
Anything can be much more than it is. Very few people agree on any particular direction for "improvement" regarding anything.

The game's making money, and even in a full-blown maintenance mode would probably be profitable till the day they had to renew an individual license for it. You're looking at ~8 years or SWTOR 2 before this really comes up.

I don't think you should be playing the game. You're clearly not enjoying yourself. Although some find the idea of "Don't like it, don't play it" offensive, its pretty much how I operate and I think gamers in general should operate. I don't play Terraria, Starbound, Minecraft despite my friends' enjoyment of those games, because I don't like those games myself. Its perfectly fine to dislike a game, and perfectly fine to state your reasons for disliking it(although you've been rather vague aside from housing and a few incorrect statements). If there's a possibility of the game one day suiting your tastes, come back on that day. If not, simply find another game out of the tens of thousands available.
How can ones critical analyses of a game be incorrect?

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Vandicus
02.12.2014 , 09:05 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by SW-TORtanic View Post
How can ones critical analyses of a game be incorrect?
Factual inaccuracy

Quote: Originally Posted by Mortelus View Post
and you rarely get the rich missions you require to get mats.

As DarthTHC pointed out, you can simply cycle through the list and pick the missions you want, including rich quality ones.
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SW-TORtanic
02.12.2014 , 09:06 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
Factual inaccuracy




As DarthTHC pointed out, you can simply cycle through the list and pick the missions you want, including rich quality ones.
What did he say that was "factually inaccurate"? ...lol

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DarthTHC
02.12.2014 , 09:09 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Mortelus View Post
My last post did go a bit far on the ranting, early morning and all. Everyone is entitled to play a game and spend money how they would like to. that is correct.

Mats cost about the same as hilts usually, if you also take into the fact mission costs etc.., normally they end up costing more.

But i stand by the fact this game could and should have been much more than it is. EA milk the CM for all the micro-transactions they can and it has a negative effect on the game economy and crafting system.

And whilst i don't think it will happen soon, this game will close down eventually because of EA's greed and inability to understand how to provide good customer service and listen to player feedback.
Could you please quantify the highlighted statement?

In my personal experience, the game's economy is just fine (that is, there is no rampant inflation and thousands or more player-to-player transactions seem to occur each day) and the crafting system, though not as awesome as SWG's was, is working just fine (that is, I and numerous others who can figure out how to roll with changes do very well).

Regarding EA "milking" the CM, that's an incorrect and inflammatory assessment. Within months of launch, EA was put to a tough decision. They could let the game die. Or they could implement a microtransaction model. Or they could try like hell to make the game worth $15 a month to the about 2 million players who tried it but didn't stay.

Given the history - they had already spent numerous years and hundreds of millions of dollars making the game and it still wasn't worth $15 a month to so many people - the third option was out of contention quickly. Now you're left with shut it down or convert to micro-transactions. They're a business. They thought they could run profitably if they implemented a micro-transaction model. So they did it.

Businesses must generate revenue or die. So all that "milking" you're talking about is actually EA just doing what it's supposed to do - delivering something consumers want to purchase so it can generate profitable revenue for its shareholders. Quit complaining about a business doing business. This sh... stuff isn't free.

Regarding listening to player feedback, I give you:
  • GSF. Players complained of the space roller-coaster. They wanted real space combat. Oh, look! Space combat!
  • Group Finder. This was a longstanding complaint of a miss during game test. But here it is. Don't let the stubborn noobs spamming fleet fool you. It's there and it works.
  • Better Looking Gear. Yes, some of the stuff coming out is still hideous. But some is very awesome. Which is which? Aren't personal tastes interesting?
  • Bounty Event. It's going this week. Did you miss it? Did you miss all the others that have happened? Yes, this was a player request.
  • Class Advocates. Right here on the forums. Forum members have been elected to consolidate feedback on a class-by-class basis and deliver it to BioWare. BioWare listens and answers and/or makes changes to the game as appropriate. HOLY MOTHER OF JEEBUS THEY'RE SOLICITING AND REACTING TO PLAYER FEEDBACK!

And those are just off the top of my head. There are many more examples.

Seriously, are you unaware of what has actually happened in this game? Or are you unable to discern the meaning of related events that occur over time? Or perhaps you are simply compelled to complain for some reason or other, regardless the accuracy of your complaint?

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Vandicus
02.12.2014 , 09:09 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by SW-TORtanic View Post
What did he say that was "factually inaccurate"? ...lol
I quoted one instance in a previous post. Another instance was his suggesting that there were not activities aside from basic questing. There are plenty of activities besides that. Now they may not be ones appealing to the OP, but to state otherwise is inaccurate. A better method of delivery instead of suggesting McDonalds serves nothing besides burgers(because one doesn't care for their coffee, salad, etc.) would be to actually state what one prefers to see.
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TUXs
02.12.2014 , 09:28 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
I play CM free. Don't buy the stuff, don't equip/use/wear the stuff.

I prefer it that way.
I commend you on the latter part of your statement. It's fine to not support the CM and refuse to buy CC's, but it's hypocritical if you then buy the CM stuff off the GTN...I give you a lot of credit for being a pure non-supporter! Thank you!
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branmakmuffin
02.12.2014 , 09:43 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Lunafox View Post
Not worth your time? And yet you post this response. Why even bother with this trite response then?
Why bother with yours? What did your reply add? What is this part of mine adding? Maybe no one should post on the forums unless they run it by you first?



And re: the OP's comments about ESO and EQN, a few weeks after they go live, he'll be in their forums complaining about how awful they are. The perpetually dissatisfied are ... perpetually dissatisfied. There are people who seem to derive the most pleasure from a computer game by complaining about how bad it is. The OP is one of those people. Which is fine, if that's how he has fun. But it means his "feedback" is of no value whatsoever.