ETA on Advanced Class change?

Except it takes 50-60 hours minimum to get to level 55, and most classes you need to be in mid 30 to even get a sense of how the class operates, and that is at least 20 some hours investment, and you may not like the out come. And for people who played many story lines, like me, the lowbie game play is a chore that I try to avoid at all costs. Not to mention that gearing up with augs and all cost close to 2 million credits. I want to roll a lethality ops, I really do, but I can't go through the lowbie leveling punishment anymore. Levels 0-30 are especially bad. I could switch my sniper, which is level 55 that I never play to ops and problem solved, but no... I have to go through the reroll chore.

I guess you weren't around during beta when that research was done.

Except it takes 50-60 hours minimum to get to level 55, and most classes you need to be in mid 30 to even get a sense of how the class operates, and that is at least 20 some hours investment, and you may not like the out come. And for people who played many story lines, like me, the lowbie game play is a chore that I try to avoid at all costs. Not to mention that gearing up with augs and all cost close to 2 million credits. I want to roll a lethality ops, I really do, but I can't go through the lowbie leveling punishment anymore. Levels 0-30 are especially bad. I could switch my sniper, which is level 55 that I never play to ops and problem solved, but no... I have to go through the reroll chore.

So level-up your new character through PvP instead. It's surprisingly quick, if you haven't figured that out already.

You didn't level an operative. You leveled a sniper. Leveling a sniper does not entitle you to a max level operative. If you want an operative, then you will have to go through the "reroll chore".

I guess it really comes down to how much do you want to play an operative?

Except it takes 50-60 hours minimum to get to level 55, and most classes you need to be in mid 30 to even get a sense of how the class operates, and that is at least 20 some hours investment, and you may not like the out come. And for people who played many story lines, like me, the lowbie game play is a chore that I try to avoid at all costs. Not to mention that gearing up with augs and all cost close to 2 million credits. I want to roll a lethality ops, I really do, but I can't go through the lowbie leveling punishment anymore. Levels 0-30 are especially bad. I could switch my sniper, which is level 55 that I never play to ops and problem solved, but no... I have to go through the reroll chore.

Yes you have to re-roll. Two different classes require this to play them.

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But they aren't two different classes. They are the same class. Same stats, same gear (mostly), same race options, same companions, same CLASS story, many shared abilities, same CLASS NAME, etc.. Advanced class + class spec choice functions exactly like class specialization choice in other games. i'm sure many players here would be just as adamant against allowing class specialization changes in this game or others that they played before they were allowed. But. the fact is that allowing more choices and character flexibility did not hurt those games. I've got over 10 55s but i'm sentimental about one. If i could send his gear, some of which isn't available anymore, and his name/valor/rating/titles to an alt i would but too much of that isn't possible. And getting 2 characters to 100 valor is not simple (although i do have several in the 80+ range).

insert : < ancient quote from ex-devs saying "advanced classes are classes" during which a famous ex president starts arguing about the definition of "is" along with lots of downplay about those same devs/producers and at least one current one saying ac respecs were planned and/or likely> - RJ

The fact is that the word "class" is very subjective. If a dev wants to spin it to say swtor has 16 classes while he's trying to sell the game, it's impossible to refute him. But his definition doesn't matter to me. Compared to other games, using the word as they used it and as I use it, Swtor has 4 classes. There's nothing wrong with that if those four are distinct and fun and useful and they are. But it's a small number so marketing decided to initially play fast and loose with the definition of the word "class".

Those of you proclaiming AC respecs are invalid solely because they are "class" respecs are either trolling or were duped by BW marketing. I'm pretty sure that no one in this entire thread has seriously suggested (base) class changes nor would any suggest mages should be able to switch to druids in Wow (and no, guardian => sentinel is not a similar swap). The title of the thread involves "AC respec" and the implications of allowing them are exactly the same as allowing specialization tree respecs in other games as well as this one. Slippery slope? Would allowing AC respecs lead to base class swapping? No. I wouldn't argue for or against it, i wouldn't care, but base class swapping would require a lot more dev work and the outcry against it would be far more significant. And for the record, while i am against War in general I am all for Price Wars especially on items I'm looking to buy.

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But they aren't two different classes. They are the same class. Same stats, same gear (mostly), same race options, same companions, same CLASS story, many shared abilities, same CLASS NAME, etc.. Advanced class + class spec choice functions exactly like class specialization choice in other games. i'm sure many players here would be just as adamant against allowing class specialization changes in this game or others that they played before they were allowed. But. the fact is that allowing more choices and character flexibility did not hurt those games. I've got over 10 55s but i'm sentimental about one. If i could send his gear, some of which isn't available anymore, and his name/valor/rating/titles to an alt i would but too much of that isn't possible. And getting 2 characters to 100 valor is not simple (although i do have several in the 80+ range).

insert : < ancient quote from ex-devs saying "advanced classes are classes" during which a famous ex president starts arguing about the definition of "is" along with lots of downplay about those same devs/producers and at least one current one saying ac respecs were planned and/or likely> - RJ

The fact is that the word "class" is very subjective. If a dev wants to spin it to say swtor has 16 classes while he's trying to sell the game, it's impossible to refute him. But his definition doesn't matter to me. Compared to other games, using the word as they used it and as I use it, Swtor has 4 classes. There's nothing wrong with that if those four are distinct and fun and useful and they are. But it's a small number so marketing decided to initially play fast and loose with the definition of the word "class".

Those of you proclaiming AC respecs are invalid solely because they are "class" respecs are either trolling or were duped by BW marketing. I'm pretty sure that no one in this entire thread has seriously suggested (base) class changes nor would any suggest mages should be able to switch to druids in Wow (and no, guardian => sentinel is not a similar swap). The title of the thread involves "AC respec" and the implications of allowing them are exactly the same as allowing specialization tree respecs in other games as well as this one. Slippery slope? Would allowing AC respecs lead to base class swapping? No. I wouldn't argue for or against it, i wouldn't care, but base class swapping would require a lot more dev work and the outcry against it would be far more significant. And for the record, while i am against War in general I am all for Price Wars especially on items I'm looking to buy.