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A sad day for PVP


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MaximilianPower
02.06.2014 , 02:15 PM | #261
Quote: Originally Posted by Klarick View Post
I play on Jedi Covenant. Who is this they you speak of?
X2. I'm not seeing this.

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Rynis
02.06.2014 , 02:29 PM | #262
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
How many people do you have in your pockets?

You speak for yourself and no one else.
I use a sample size of my MASSIVE FRIENDS LIST. 90% of whom believe the resources used to make a minigame could have been used for better things.

Captain Obvious is too good. Obviously I speak for myself...I did say "I believe" in my previous post. I don't feel like going out and making a survey. I have asked past and present players that I associate with about their opinion on GSF and it's all the same.

Maybe I will do that survey after all
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DarthTHC
02.06.2014 , 02:58 PM | #263
Quote: Originally Posted by Rynis View Post
Maybe I will do that survey after all
Why bother? It can't possibly produce a statistically valid result and it will just be shouted down on the forums.

BioWare already knows all the metrics they need. They know how many unique accounts play GSF. They know how many times each of those players play each session. They know how much everyone is spending on CM for GSF stuff.

The more productive action might be to watch what BioWare does WRT GSF.

Do they keep investing in it? If yes, it's popular and/or profitable. If no, it's unpopular or unprofitable.

If they do invest, is the investment in scenarios / ships / etc. or is it in CM? If the former, it's probably because it's popular. If the latter, profitable. If both, both.

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Infernixx
02.06.2014 , 02:59 PM | #264
Quote: Originally Posted by Rynis View Post
I use a sample size of my MASSIVE FRIENDS LIST. 90% of whom believe the resources used to make a minigame could have been used for better things.

Captain Obvious is too good. Obviously I speak for myself...I did say "I believe" in my previous post. I don't feel like going out and making a survey. I have asked past and present players that I associate with about their opinion on GSF and it's all the same.

Maybe I will do that survey after all
I'm sure we'll all just take your word for it, too. lol
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
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There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

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Joonbeams
02.06.2014 , 03:03 PM | #265
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Why bother? It can't possibly produce a statistically valid result and it will just be shouted down on the forums.

BioWare already knows all the metrics they need. They know how many unique accounts play GSF. They know how many times each of those players play each session. They know how much everyone is spending on CM for GSF stuff.

The more productive action might be to watch what BioWare does WRT GSF.

Do they keep investing in it? If yes, it's popular and/or profitable. If no, it's unpopular or unprofitable.

If they do invest, is the investment in scenarios / ships / etc. or is it in CM? If the former, it's probably because it's popular. If the latter, profitable. If both, both.
While I agree with this, I'd say that investment could also happen where GSF is "unpopular" as a way to help make it more popular and, ultimately, profitable. Just as is done with the game generally.

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DarthTHC
02.06.2014 , 03:05 PM | #266
Quote: Originally Posted by Joonbeams View Post
While I agree with this, I'd say that investment could also happen where GSF is "unpopular" as a way to help make it more popular and, ultimately, profitable. Just as is done with the game generally.
I think that's the case only if it's right on the edge of profitability and they think that investment will shove it over the edge. I don't think the current SWTOR (executive) management team is very keen on chasing bad money with good. Just an opinion though.

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Andryah
02.06.2014 , 03:10 PM | #267
Quote: Originally Posted by Rynis View Post
I use a sample size of my MASSIVE FRIENDS LIST. 90% of whom believe the resources used to make a minigame could have been used for better things.
Interesting fact -----> like minds tend to attract like minded people, even in MMOs. And awareness tends to be focused on what one's attention is placed on.

Research example, to help keep it real here: people who acquire a new car, suddenly begin to notice many other people on the road driving the exact same car, even though the week before they were oblivious to this. This is the nature of human focus and awareness. Humans have to actually consciously extend their awareness to get past their own self-interest.

TL;DR your massive friends list is not as globally indicative as you wish it was.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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DarthTHC
02.06.2014 , 03:12 PM | #268
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
TL;DR your massive friends list is not as globally indicative as you wish it was.
Nor, probably, as massive. Massiveness tends to be exaggerated a bit too. Especially if it's a male doing the talking.

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branmakmuffin
02.06.2014 , 03:12 PM | #269
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
TL;DR your massive friends list is not as globally indicative as you wish it was.
And probably not as massive, either.

Or as friendly.

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Andryah
02.06.2014 , 03:13 PM | #270
Quote: Originally Posted by Joonbeams View Post
While I agree with this, I'd say that investment could also happen where GSF is "unpopular" as a way to help make it more popular and, ultimately, profitable. Just as is done with the game generally.
They set up a dedicated team to build GSF, and have retained this team post launch to continue developing and expanding GSF separate from continued efforts to extend other parts of game content. They have made this clear in recent weeks as they have interacted with the forum and in internet interviews.

It's not like GSF is poaching resources from other PvP.. it was an incremental project effort. You can argue that they should have simply put those resources into ground PvP in 2013, but they did not.. so in 2014 GSF represents no resource bleed from ground PvP.

Just like every other segment of game content in this MMO, if they see it is popular and well received.. they will continue to invest in it as they see value and proportion of effort to results. If it's wildly unpopular, then they will slowly strangle off resources from it and reallocate them somewhere else in Bioware.

People act like they had to starve the dog to feed the cat.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.