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DNT Discusses the Roadmap


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dscount
02.04.2014 , 06:44 PM | #31
Interesting feed. "Casual $h!tties" is how you describe a majority of the player base... okay then. While I do agree we have an over abundance of crappy players in the game it doesn't really warrant a classification of everyone that does NOT clear new content (NIM mostly) the first week. While I do love watching you guys play/chat you all came across as pretty elite aholes just now. Don't see any other progression guilds doing that type of public bashing of fellow players (Hatred, Intrepid, Severity, etc). Classy it up folks and pull your pants up as your sith is showing.

Several Semi-Hardcore guilds I know have cleared DP/DF 100% and farming for several weeks now. So those same guilds are also pretty pissed off about the new content schedule. Most will go into NIM and work on a couple bosses as well, but likely only partially clear a bulk of them until gearing catchs up as well.

I agree that END GAME PVE sucks and BW has dropped the ball on this timeline. Some folks don't give a crap about NIM content and will basically BAIL OUT until 2.8 drops and/or the new level(s)/Planets/OPS.

I agree with CARL that spreading out DP and DF by 8 weeks is a good idea. Concentration on a single OP makes it easier for teams to tackle and conquer. The other reason being... BUGS, BUGS and I'm sure more BUGS for BW to fix once it's released. Now if BW can just pull it's head out of its REAREND and fix the HM/NIM unlock we might actually have "TRUE Progression" to the finish line for all the world firsts. (Not just a drop to HM then NIM on overtuned or "Mathmatically impossible" boss fights)

GEARING? What's that about in the new 2.7 update? We going to see the same BS we did with NIM content last time? Dropping 75's and then immediately useless when new HM's came out. That was a complete slap in the face to a great many people that did all the 75 content and BIS to have Ultimate Comm's able to purchase better in a single day.

CRAFTING? I'm willing to bet that 2.7 is NOT going to allow 78's to be craftable. Reason being they need to some how level up the types of crafting materials and such that will most likely be part of a new leveling Expansion.

While I don't agree with your level of respect you give to the "Casual" players I have to agree with most of your comments and ideas on what BW is doing things WRONG. This released timeline for those players skills some place between FP's and NIM is pretty crappy and most likely going to bleed some SUB's until 2.8 comes out. I think too much emphasis was placed on GSF with CM saving the day. Hopefully its a giant financial windfall for BW and they get PVE Operations back in line with some real scheduled releases. EOSL will most likely take some players, but I'm also hearing they have planned an extremely aggressive content release timeline. Maybe BW can hire some of them cause somebody has dropped the *** stick on the heads of someone in Austin too many times. Might be the same person that thinks Sage/Sorc are OP in PVP Arenas.. LOL
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FridgeLM
02.04.2014 , 06:48 PM | #32
Don't take it personally, we call each other bad all the time.
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dscount
02.04.2014 , 06:49 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by FridgeLM View Post
Don't take it personally, we call each other bad all the time.
I don't.. our guild chat is usually filled with "you scrub... I ain't healing your squishy SIN tank anymore..."

Just grouping a BULK of the "Causal" players as $hitty.. is not a fair title. Lots of RAID Awareness that comes with experience and group composition really plays a BIG factor in clearing NIM content. Trusting each other, communication and good ole fashion "Move out of that bad circle under you" come into play. I've run with several guilds and some are professional and very excellent, some need walkers and some have good folks but struggle to get the composition just right.
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"...you must play defensively and make them pay for trying to kill you."
"...require a higher skill level than many players are comfortable with."

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Solar_Breeze
02.04.2014 , 07:59 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by dscount View Post
I don't.. our guild chat is usually filled with "you scrub... I ain't healing your squishy SIN tank anymore..."

Just grouping a BULK of the "Causal" players as $hitty.. is not a fair title. Lots of RAID Awareness that comes with experience and group composition really plays a BIG factor in clearing NIM content. Trusting each other, communication and good ole fashion "Move out of that bad circle under you" come into play. I've run with several guilds and some are professional and very excellent, some need walkers and some have good folks but struggle to get the composition just right.
They could have gone with "Nan marōdā" (Winkso! ) or "Those of lesser perception" its just a nickname they use in their guild. Looking past that the opinions are shared by quite a few people.

Multiple guilds who previously competed in progression raids are experiencing difficulties keeping groups interested in raiding with the current set of content. Having to wait until April and then June for a new difficulty but nothing new isn't really that appreciated by many. Especially with games such as ESO / Wildstar etc coming up.
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Nobody cheated. News posts are not "fake." Forum thread rules do not invalidate kills that actually happened. It's attitudes like yours that make me, and many others in DNT, dismissive of progress tracker threads in general.
Not copying the whole previous quote ...
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Lets all try and encourage more participation in the competition not drive people away from it. Past is behind us and NIM is a long way off.
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Carlenux
02.04.2014 , 08:43 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by FridgeLM View Post
So in any topic even tangentially related to DNT, are you going to constantly, literally constantly, bring up how butthurt you are about TFB?

Because you're getting really tiresome. Nobody cheated. News posts are not "fake." Forum thread rules do not invalidate kills that actually happened. It's attitudes like yours that make me, and many others in DNT, dismissive of progress tracker threads in general. "Oh you guys switched instances to kill Tyrans instead of Draxus and we've since found out Draxus is harder so your kill doesn't count." That's basically the attitude going around and it's really really stupid.

Unless somebody literally cheats during a boss fight by exploiting game mechanics in a manner unintended by the designers, we feel their kills should count. i.e. if, say, they find a way to burn Tyrans with his own inferno or whatever. Any other rules represent the threat of corruption in the system - in my opinion, the reason you and others like you feel the way you do is because you want to delegitimize actual competition.

If you'd just adopt our attitude towards progress you would never have to engage in a stupid discussion of what operation to do first. You know, when Burning Crusade released there were two entire tiers available at the new max level and the top tier had two separate instances with parallel progression. Somehow, the WoW community was able to make sense of it. SWTOR's PvE community needs to get on the level of maturity of 2007's WoW community.

The split is not the same and the previous split wasn't good either. It's just artificial stretching of content and it's insulting to our intelligence to think we're going to be satisfied with dribbles of content that will, by June, be eight months old with an extra mechanic or two and more HP/Damage.
Lol not exactly, but i think is quite obvious i dont really "like" quite a few people from DnT (the few that were involved in the whole TFB drama), nothing special with the guild, just those few people. i know some of your players do great posts helping the community and a lot of stuff, but as far as "progression Thread" and Progression discussions / Bioware Discussion, i find your post really Toxic for the community (not this one, but few others) specially for the end game scenario, you just always bring drama, complains and WoW to everything like you did in the past 2 Contents, so yeah cant blame me for that :S, if the Wild* hype takes you with you i woudlnt be specially sad with that lol.

I just said something that happened, its a shame it was you, your first 2-3 paragraph are basically answered with "this is Swtor not WoW" you guys are still so stuck with stupid things that happened on WoW. "BC this, WoTLK that" this is Swtor, nobody cares what they did. People doesnt need to adjust to 2007 WoW community, u just need to stop thinking this is WoW. The only Real fight we were given that could be compared with WoW (not really comparable, different game, gearing system and other stuff) was DG, and you didnt last 2 days.

So in my opinion Yes its too long for a wait but meh, i dont disagree on splitting instances, because someone would probably just skipped the rules, skip bosses something weird and ruin the progression like i thappened with TFB. because yeah DG fight was one of the most fun and challenging fights to do, and it was totally destroyed together with the whole progression thanks to all your Drama.

You Posted your Podcast i am giving you my opinion, whats wrong with it? that it is against you? well, what can i say, i dont have faith you guys wouldnt ruin progress again like you did with TFB if we had 2 separate Ops To clear. As simple as that, maybe i am wrong, maybe it wouldnt be you but some other guild, Maybe its not the community that needs to get the maturity of 2007 WoW like you said, but you need to Grow up / step it up (not sure about the correct Term here >.<) to Swtor 2014 and leave the past behind, if people Agree to certain rules and content is done Certain way, we all expect people to follow it, not hiding behind WoW 2007 community, becaus it isnt 2007 and it isnt the same Game.

Bottom line, if they deliver good content and title run that at least take us 4-5 weeks for titles like SaV, i would be happy with it until DP NiM. In fact i find it even less stressing to have 5 and then 5 bosses to do in couple of months than having 10 bosses right away IMO. i wish it would come before April 8th, ill agree with that, just keeping my hopes up that whatever they are doing after the Dread Masters story is great, great story and give us Features we need like Guild Perks and Housing/Guild Ships, stuff like that.

Not really too excited about this post / argument anyways or in the mood for it, so ill just let everyone else comment and not start a discussion between us two here... Nice job with your podcast/twitch w/e it was, my connection sucks to see it but some people said it was good, so Grats.!
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Carlenux
02.04.2014 , 08:51 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Solar_Breeze View Post
They could have gone with "Nan marōdā" (Winkso! ) or "Those of lesser perception" its just a nickname they use in their guild. Looking past that the opinions are shared by quite a few people.

Multiple guilds who previously competed in progression raids are experiencing difficulties keeping groups interested in raiding with the current set of content. Having to wait until April and then June for a new difficulty but nothing new isn't really that appreciated by many. Especially with games such as ESO / Wildstar etc coming up.
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Not copying the whole previous quote ...
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Lets all try and encourage more participation in the competition not drive people away from it. Past is behind us and NIM is a long way off.
yeap ill agree, and within the next months we will have even more trouble so it really sucks :S. i Agree we need to find ways to Encourage people to keep playing the game instead of driving them away, not like what they say is looking to do that... But i think comments should be more towards lets keep playing and wait for nightmare to have a great competition and less "Bioware are idiots insulting us Delaying content, WoW was better, Wild* will destroy it, i am unsubbing now. QQ Orbital Nerf" lol which are the classic comments on multiple Threads at this point (not exactly from OP but in general)
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KaboomzZz
02.05.2014 , 12:04 PM | #37
Man you guys are really into this game. I've purchased probably 1,000 cartel packs, have millions of credits and all the mounts, pretty sweet looking gear and I've just hit 32 on my first character. The change of focus is probably my fault. heh.



That said, I strongly disagree with rules being put in place for kills. This community is small enough. At most there could be a restricted league and an unrestricted league, but I've always viewed a kill as a kill, it happened and theres not much more to it. Nobody follows this community, and you're not playing for the masses - you're playing for yourselves because you enjoy the game.

Any small amount of drama that comes from the few guilds on top is part of the game, doesn't need to be complicated even further, the community is too small.
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Beslley
02.05.2014 , 12:08 PM | #38
It's all your fault, Kaboomzzz >:|
YOUR FILTHY CASUALNESS HAS DESTROYED SWTOR
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KaboomzZz
02.05.2014 , 12:10 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Beslley View Post
It's all your fault, Kaboomzzz >:|
YOUR FILTHY CASUALNESS HAS DESTROYED SWTOR
I mean, maybe right? I'm not a star wars fan, and I don't like mmos. My fun involves logging in and buying a cartel pack, running to the hub and opening all my presents in front of everyone while I dance.

Dom can't have the only crown.
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Selenial
02.05.2014 , 02:38 PM | #40
Gotta admit, I agree with a lot of what you're saying....

Not all of it, but a lot.

But next time you stream on a Titan 6 mount, press the red button

Edit 1: I agree with Rhom here, there is an audience between the Nightmare group and the casuals, those that do Progression, but at the same time aren't so focused on raiding. IE FIB has solidly cleared DP/DF HM officially now. With 2 groups, hopefully 3 soon, but at the same time, we've had people leave at awkward times due to IRL, which doesn't happen in guilds like Hatred, DILIH, Aurum Gaming and DNT, because it'd mess up your rotations like it sort of did for us... So yeh, there's people between
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