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A sad day for PVP


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kodrac
02.03.2014 , 04:32 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
Disagreement is not the same thing as trolling.
Your lack of an argument is.

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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 04:34 PM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by kodrac View Post
Your lack of an argument is.
That's entirely not true. I maintain that GSF is PVP until they change it to where we're fighting AI ships instead of other players.

Player Versus Player. I mean, god, it's not rocket science, people.
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
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There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

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kodrac
02.03.2014 , 04:34 PM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by BrianDavion View Post
problem is there's no way to prove that one way or another.
And that's the crux of the problem. We don't know what will get the focused on or why exactly. People on the forums will argue for one thing or another but only BW knows.

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kodrac
02.03.2014 , 04:36 PM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
That's entirely not true. I maintain that GSF is PVP until they change it to where we're fighting AI ships instead of other players.

Player Versus Player. I mean, god, it's not rocket science, people.
You are still nitpicking a term in order to derail the OP. And I, for some reason, am giving you bait by responding to you. So I'll end that. Carry on trolling.

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TUXs
02.03.2014 , 04:39 PM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by BrianDavion View Post
problem is there's no way to prove that one way or another.

Let's say for example they add two things to the store tomorrow. the

"robe of awesome" and the "starfighter scheme of cool"

chances are the robe of awesome will indeed be the best selling item. but there's no way to prove if it's being bought mostly by folks who PVP, PVE, or even GSF players. or people who do a combination of the three
Don't tell me. I simply explained what he said...I didn't state it.

And "WE" don't need to prove crap, we can't, so expecting that of someone is stupid. We can only speak of our experiences. Bioware knows the truth - they have the metrics.
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Joonbeams
02.03.2014 , 04:39 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
That's entirely not true. I maintain that GSF is PVP until they change it to where we're fighting AI ships instead of other players.

Player Versus Player. I mean, god, it's not rocket science, people.
It's 'player vs. player' but it's not 'PVP'. "PVP" has taken on the meaning of ground-PVP just as 'Americans' has come to refer to only those from the United States. That's the point here. We all know that, everyone knows what is meant, but we can continue being cutiepies.

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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 04:41 PM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Joonbeams View Post
It's 'player vs. player' but it's not 'PVP'. "PVP" has taken on the meaning of ground-PVP just as 'Americans' has come to refer to only those from the United States. That's the point here. We all know that, everyone knows what is meant, but we can continue being cutiepies.
They can say that it means 'roll around on the ground in tickle fights', but that's irrelevant.

Words have meaning and people don't get to redefine them to make their arguments more stable.

GSF 'is' PVP by definition and people are silly to say that it isn't.
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

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Joonbeams
02.03.2014 , 04:46 PM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
They can say that it means 'roll around on the ground in tickle fights', but that's irrelevant.

Words have meaning and people don't get to redefine them to make their arguments more stable.

GSF 'is' PVP by definition and people are silly to say that it isn't.
I'm disappointed in myself for getting sucked into this 'debate.' We all know what PVP means and what the OP meant as PVP, just like we all know what a lot of euphemisms mean, and we all know it wasn't referring to GSF. But carry on if you like -- I will not be.

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Jadescythe
02.03.2014 , 04:48 PM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
That's entirely not true. I maintain that GSF is PVP until they change it to where we're fighting AI ships instead of other players.

Player Versus Player. I mean, god, it's not rocket science, people.
GSF is player versus player, yes. On this forum, however, we refer to ground PvP as simply "PvP" and GSF as "GSF". No one is arguing that what you are saying is untrue, only that the term is used differently in the current context. Terms that have a specific meaning can be adopted to mean something else by a group of people. If you misunderstood his point because you were not familiar with the language typically used on this forum, it would be understandable. However, you knew what he meant and CHOSE to point out information that did not pertain to the point he was trying to make. Continuing to argue only that GSF is PvP (with no one really, everyone agrees it's player versus player) without listening to the larger group explain that we refer to GSF and PvP separately is what makes you a troll.
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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 04:50 PM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
GSF is player versus player, yes. On this forum, however, we refer to ground PvP as simply "PvP" and GSF as "GSF". No one is arguing that what you are saying is untrue, only that the term is used differently in the current context. Terms that have a specific meaning can be adopted to mean something else by a group of people. If you misunderstood his point because you were not familiar with the language typically used on this forum, it would be understandable. However, you knew what he meant and CHOSE to point out information that did not pertain to the point he was trying to make. Continuing to argue only that GSF is PvP (with no one really, everyone agrees it's player versus player) without listening to the larger group explain that we refer to GSF and PvP separately is what makes you a troll.
You can refer to it however you like, it's still PVP.
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.