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A sad day for PVP


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kodrac
02.03.2014 , 04:25 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Ah.. now I see what your narrative is. The cash shop killed your PvP.

You could have just said that up front.

Rodger Rodger, over and out.
That's not my narrative and it hasn't been and you know it. You brought up what will get the most attention and I offered an alternative.

I don't disagree with most of what you say on these forums. But this nitpicking a term for the lack of an argument is just plain stupid. PvE is your avenue of gameplay, everything else you see is a sidegame; warzones a sidegame, GSF a sidegame. News flash, not everyone sees PvP as a side game. But anytime anyone is unhappy about the direction of PvP posts anything you jump on them for it. It's ridiculous. You argue for the mere sake of arguing. Get off our nitpicking high horse and agree to disagree for a change.

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TUXs
02.03.2014 , 04:25 PM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Ah.. now I see what your narrative is. The cash shop killed your PvP.
That's not at all what he said.

He said whatever can sell the most will get the most development time. He stated that he believes there's no way GSF could keep up with PvP...not that the cash shop killed PvP...he's suggesting Bioware invest in PvP because the audience is bigger than GSFs.
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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 04:25 PM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Joonbeams View Post
Wow, 18+ pages of 'debate' over whether GSF is "technically" player vs. player (it is) vs. whether it's "PVP" (it's not. "PVP" is a surrogate, dare say a euphemism, for ground PVP). When the phrase PVP is used, it's presumptively referring to ground PVP unless stated otherwise. Any other argument, however technically accurate, is just cute.

Here's an example. When we (here in the U.S.) say 'America' or 'Americans' we are very clearly NOT referring to Canadians or Mexicans or North Americans generally. Technically speaking this is not accurate, because Americans should also include anyone from North, or South, America. But the phrase 'American' has taken on its own meaning. And one doesn't have to like that or agree with that for it to be true.

So if someone says that "Americans" speak English. To respond with "I guess you're ignoring French Canadians," is technically accurate, but cute and largely unhelpful.
That's all well and good, but GSF is still PVP.
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TUXs
02.03.2014 , 04:26 PM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by kodrac View Post
You argue for the mere sake of arguing.
That is EXACTLY what happens from some posters.
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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 04:27 PM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
That is EXACTLY what happens from some posters.
I disagree completely.
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
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kodrac
02.03.2014 , 04:27 PM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
T...he's suggesting Bioware invest in PvP because the audience is bigger than GSFs.
Indeed that would be nice, but after reading this road map I no longer hold out any hope for that happening.

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kodrac
02.03.2014 , 04:29 PM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
I disagree completely.
You troll for the sake of trolling. Carry on.

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BrianDavion
02.03.2014 , 04:29 PM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
That's not at all what he said.

He said whatever can sell the most will get the most development time. He stated that he believes there's no way GSF could keep up with PvP...not that the cash shop killed PvP...he's suggesting Bioware invest in PvP because the audience is bigger than GSFs.
problem is there's no way to prove that one way or another.

Let's say for example they add two things to the store tomorrow. the

"robe of awesome" and the "starfighter scheme of cool"

chances are the robe of awesome will indeed be the best selling item. but there's no way to prove if it's being bought mostly by folks who PVP, PVE, or even GSF players. or people who do a combination of the three

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Joonbeams
02.03.2014 , 04:29 PM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
That's all well and good, but GSF is still PVP.
And your response is still "cute."

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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 04:30 PM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by kodrac View Post
You troll for the sake of trolling. Carry on.
Disagreement is not the same thing as trolling.
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
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There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.