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A sad day for PVP


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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 03:59 PM | #161
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
We agree that PvP is the main goal in GSF...but explain to me this...what do you discuss in the PVP FORUM? What is discussed in the GSF FORUM? Why are they separated?
Convenience.
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AlienEyeTX
02.03.2014 , 03:59 PM | #162
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Is Call Of Duty a PvP? Yes. Do you have to strategize and maybe grind? Ya. Does that make an MMO? No. Why? Cuz MMO be definition involve using an avatar to perform specific objectives and/or content, and FPS are a completely different type of game. SWTOR is an MMO. GSF is not. GSF is a mini game in an MMO, nothing less or more. It is not a core mechanic in the game and never will be, because it does not involve using your avatar (character/class/toon w.e you want to call them). You can call it space combat, flight simulator or w.e your heart please, it is not an MMO content. The fact that it is PvP based does not make it MMO PvP content, as much as FPS, sports games or GTA are not considered MMOs.

When players come here to the forums and mention the term "PvP" it means using their avatars against other avatars to achieve a specific objective. And when the OP mentioned PvP, he did not mean GSF PvP, but PvP that involves your avatar. Even BW considered "PvP" and "GSF" to be completely different things, thus they separated their forums and moderators actively removed GSF threads from PvP forums.

Wither you agree or not, when the OP mentioned "PvP" he meant PvP involving his avatar not space PvP. And yes, PvP is being shafted big time through out the game history, and the road map includes nothing except 1 WZ in six month.

FYI, we have PvE servers and PvP servers, cuz both are fundamental parts of an MMO, anything else in an MMO is additional content, mini game, w.e you want to call it. It is not a core part of the game. When we have GSF server, will talk about GSF not being a mini game.
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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 04:00 PM | #163
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
GSF is PvP in the same way that the old space system was content. It meets the technical requirements, but is not what someone would picture if you said MMO PvP or Space Simulator. People on the forum typically specify GSF separately from "PvP" when speaking to it.
They can do whatever they like, and feel however they like.

But, GSF is still PVP, regardless.
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TUXs
02.03.2014 , 04:01 PM | #164
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
Convenience.
It's clear you're just trolling. I'm done with you.
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Jadescythe
02.03.2014 , 04:02 PM | #165
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
They can do whatever they like, and feel however they like.

But, GSF is still PVP, regardless.
Unless you feel like not understanding what anyone on the forum is talking about, you may consider adapting to this naming convention. Or you could just argue with everyone and get nowhere. Seems legit.
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Infernixx
02.03.2014 , 04:02 PM | #166
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
It's clear you're just trolling. I'm done with you.
Well, it 'is' convenient to have its own forum. Should I not have said 'convenience'?

Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?
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Andryah
02.03.2014 , 04:03 PM | #167
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
Convenience.
More like "clarity" and "practicality" in my opinion.

If they did not give GSF it's own forum, then it would spill all over the PvP and General forum, and the PvPers that don't like it would be abusive towards GSF posts in the PvP forums (let's not even try to pretend otherwise), and that would in turn drive the GSF topics to general forum.

Giving GSF it's own sub-forum was both smart and practical IMO. And I see absolutely no signs that they did so because GSF is somehow faux-PvP. It was done to promote clarity and focus of GSF discussions, and from a practical standpoint to reduce moderation resources to heard cats in the forum.
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TUXs
02.03.2014 , 04:03 PM | #168
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
Unless you feel like not understanding what anyone on the forum is talking about, you may consider adapting to this naming convention. Or you could just argue with everyone and get nowhere. Seems legit.
EXACTLY!!! My guess is, he'll use it to create conflict and instigate fights.
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Eldrenath
02.03.2014 , 04:03 PM | #169
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
The general idea of GSF is a PvP scenario - no doubt. But GSF is called GSF for a reason. PvP has always had their own forum where GROUND PvP is discussed. You're smart enough to realize that GSF and PvP are not the same gameplay styles.
I have to agree with TUXs on this one. Yes, GSF and warzones are both PvP. But they are very different games and in many cases attract completely different players. I have never run a single warzone in SWTOR and I've been playing since launch. I don't dig ground PvP in MMOs (and if you're guessing its because I'm terrible at it--you're 100% correct! ). But I play lots of GSF and enjoy it. And I've played with plenty of other folks that don't like ground PvP and never do it but play plenty of GSF.

GSF is PvP, yes, because it pits players against other players. But it is very different from ground PvP and in my personal experience and isn't the same.

At this point the argument is getting silly (well, it was many pages ago). Whatever the OP said and whatever you think the OP meant he was definitely referring to ground PvP. Even if it wasn't specifically stated in the original post that he meant ground PvP, at this point the OP has made it abundantly clear that he was in fact referring to ground PvP.

One can argue the merits of whether the OPs opinion is right or wrong regarding ground PvP, but how about we all agree that the OP definitely meant ground PvP and center the discussion on his actual point?

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Zoom_VI
02.03.2014 , 04:03 PM | #170
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Why is that a bad thing? I love Huttball!
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