A sad day for PVP

Is Call Of Duty a PvP? Yes. Do you have to strategize and maybe grind? Ya. Does that make an MMO? No. Why? Cuz MMO be definition involve using an avatar to perform specific objectives and/or content, and FPS are a completely different type of game. SWTOR is an MMO. GSF is not. GSF is a mini game in an MMO, nothing less or more. It is not a core mechanic in the game and never will be, because it does not involve using your avatar (character/class/toon w.e you want to call them). You can call it space combat, flight simulator or w.e your heart please, it is not an MMO content. The fact that it is PvP based does not make it MMO PvP content, as much as FPS, sports games or GTA are not considered MMOs.

When players come here to the forums and mention the term "PvP" it means using their avatars against other avatars to achieve a specific objective. And when the OP mentioned PvP, he did not mean GSF PvP, but PvP that involves your avatar. Even BW considered "PvP" and "GSF" to be completely different things, thus they separated their forums and moderators actively removed GSF threads from PvP forums.

Wither you agree or not, when the OP mentioned "PvP" he meant PvP involving his avatar not space PvP. And yes, PvP is being shafted big time through out the game history, and the road map includes nothing except 1 WZ in six month.

FYI, we have PvE servers and PvP servers, cuz both are fundamental parts of an MMO, anything else in an MMO is additional content, mini game, w.e you want to call it. It is not a core part of the game. When we have GSF server, will talk about GSF not being a mini game.

Well, until they put me up against AI-based GSF teams, it's pure PVP.

Who? I haven't seen any attacks or insults slung. If differences of opinion constitute attacks and insults then there has been plenty.

Yes they are. Given that at least my anecdotal evidence can be cross-checked because I list my server name and legacy name for you guys to hunt me down in-game and see what I'm seeing.

Your anecdotal evidence like, "I have a few friends who PvP, it's a very niche thing" can never be cross check because you don't even mention your own server. <--- Bastion of trustworthy evidence

Nitpick and troll as you see fit. Carry on.

What are we agreeing upon? Being friends? Sure

The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it's based in personal perspective. It's unscientific and basically needs to be dismissed out of hand.

Which is what I'm doing.

We agree that PvP is the main goal in GSF...but explain to me this...what do you discuss in the PVP FORUM? What is discussed in the GSF FORUM? Why are they separated?

No, what you are doing is stating your ridiculous argument that PvP is a niche gamemode that no one plays.

It's funny, how you are the biggest perpetrator of exactly what you keep accusing others of doing.

GSF is PvP in the same way that the old space system was content. It meets the technical requirements, but is not what someone would picture if you said MMO PvP or Space Simulator. People on the forum typically specify GSF separately from "PvP" when speaking to it.