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Very glad I don't play Eve Online right now

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Very glad I don't play Eve Online right now

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Andryah
01.29.2014 , 07:56 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Jandi View Post
While it might sound like the losses are huge, and they are, there is an old saying in EVE. "Never fly anything you can't afford to lose". All those Titans? They flew them into battle knowing they would not come back. The players live for this stuff and while you can certainly exchange PLEX into gametime, hence sort of money, it's a rather poor reporting to not explain just how much PLEX these huge alliances generate in-game from mining and manufacturing.

For those who don't know, CCP allows players to openly sell gametime cards in-game for in-game currency or whatever else one might want in exhange. So you can't REALLY turn mountains of in-game money into rael money instantly.
/Agree.
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Prototypemind
01.29.2014 , 10:36 PM | #12
I'd love to see video from this. All I got to check out the last time a large-scale conflict broke out were screenies.

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Lunafox
01.29.2014 , 10:45 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by ihatetwileks View Post
I couldn't agree more. I used to play EVE and I had spent months collecting enough cash to purchase the skills and equipment necessary for a battleship. I thought hey I'm pretty BA now let me ask the corp(guild) if I can run some pvp with them. They said sure! Well to my suprise i was not even close to being a bad ***. My Battleship was destroyed by a small cruiser within seconds- SECONDS! 6 months worth of work permenantly GONE in SECONDS! I immediately activated my clone (There are no respawns if you don't have a clone that has a higher skill point threshold than the current amount of skill points you have you lose some of your hard earned skill points) and jumped into my battle cruiser. Once again I got popped with in mere seconds. At that point the keys Alt and F4 were the last two key strokes that game saw from me.
Like you and Callaron, I don't think this is the game for me either. I don't mind investing some money in a game I enjoy, but not to the tune of thousands upon thousands, and especially like you say, to lose it in a matter of seconds.

The heartbreak would be enough to make me stop. It would be too painful. I get attached to my little avatars and belongings and losing them in a snap of the fingers...holds no appeal for me.
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Lium
01.30.2014 , 12:11 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by ihatetwileks View Post
I couldn't agree more. I used to play EVE and I had spent months collecting enough cash to purchase the skills and equipment necessary for a battleship. I thought hey I'm pretty BA now let me ask the corp(guild) if I can run some pvp with them. They said sure! Well to my suprise i was not even close to being a bad ***. My Battleship was destroyed by a small cruiser within seconds- SECONDS! 6 months worth of work permenantly GONE in SECONDS! I immediately activated my clone (There are no respawns if you don't have a clone that has a higher skill point threshold than the current amount of skill points you have you lose some of your hard earned skill points) and jumped into my battle cruiser. Once again I got popped with in mere seconds. At that point the keys Alt and F4 were the last two key strokes that game saw from me.
And yet people claim that they just love hardcore games and bemoan MMOs like SWTOR that are too casual friendly and way too easy. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The game you are looking for absolutely positively exists: it is called EVE Online. That is truly what hardcore is all about.

Why are you guys not playing it?

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Yinican
01.30.2014 , 04:57 AM | #15
That is what makes EVE unique. I have been in these kind of fights in EVE, both in sub capital ship and in capital ship. You can't just jump into the biggest ship and hope to kill everyone. No. Fights in require you to think. It's like chess, sacrifice your pawns to let your Knight take out their Queen.

Send in your tacklers (CC them) on their support ships, warp to zero on them and then kill their support ships. Tackle their capital ships, send in your capital ships, kill their capital ships, tackle their Super Capital ships, but here. Here it gets exciting. The more you put on the table, the chance of a greater loss you can have.

Do you send in your Super Capital Ships or do you stick with capital ships? Since there are alliances in EVE, the group of people you fight in one system, can be the bait, for another group of their Super Capital ships. So was their Super Capital ships only a bait? probably. Fight escalates.

First time in PvP for me, an adrenaline rush. Not like PvP in swtor. You know that you could lose your ship and money wise it can cost you a lot or little. You can PvP in a frigate (which is the smallest and cheapest kind of ships in EVE).

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orangefishboy
01.30.2014 , 05:02 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
And yet people claim that they just love hardcore games and bemoan MMOs like SWTOR that are too casual friendly and way too easy. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The game you are looking for absolutely positively exists: it is called EVE Online. That is truly what hardcore is all about.

Why are you guys not playing it?
I'm not playing it because permadeath sucks, and I think the guy you quoted wasn't asking for a hardcore game. There are other ways to make a game difficult than to just make you lose everything forever.

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Callaron
01.30.2014 , 05:37 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by orangefishboy View Post
I'm not playing it because permadeath sucks, and I think the guy you quoted wasn't asking for a hardcore game. There are other ways to make a game difficult than to just make you lose everything forever.
I don't think Lium was talking about the poster he quoted specifically, but rather about the haters that occasionally come here to scream they need to turn this game into a real hardcore thing.
Like "he-who-shall-not-be-named" that exploited the friend referrals to get access to the forums again and that made it a habit of posting his nonsense every day. (And who I suspect was on the receiving end of Eric's +10 Banhammer )
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Jandi
01.30.2014 , 06:39 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by orangefishboy View Post
I'm not playing it because permadeath sucks, and I think the guy you quoted wasn't asking for a hardcore game. There are other ways to make a game difficult than to just make you lose everything forever.
Permadeath? wut? It's more like a repair bill. Granted, it's a bit on the expensive side, but you don't lose you skills nor your implants if you have a clone.
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orangefishboy
01.30.2014 , 02:37 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Jandi View Post
Permadeath? wut? It's more like a repair bill. Granted, it's a bit on the expensive side, but you don't lose you skills nor your implants if you have a clone.
And how do you get a clone?

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Jandi
01.30.2014 , 03:28 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by orangefishboy View Post
And how do you get a clone?
By buying one? You buy a clone and it makes a copy of your current character and stores it in a vat on a space station of your choosing. So, if you know you're going into a battle where death is more likely than not, simply get a clone ready and you lose nothing.

There is also insurance, so you can get an insurance on your ship to coup some of the losses back. At least I seem to recall there being one, it's been awhile.

Oh and one more thing, losing your ship doesn't mean you automatically die. You leave in an escape pod and in large battles, going after an escape pod isn't something that's really done unless the enemy wants to grief you. If you're just out doing missions for money, I don't think NPC enemies kill pods.

There is also different security levels in sectors. You can get your feet wet in high sec systems and just run missions against NPCs if you want to. You don't *have* to start the game and fly into the wild west from the get go. In high sec you are relatively safe as most people can't be arsed killing newbies there because the po-po will kill them if they do and your ship isn't worth the trouble.
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