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Option to hide/prevent others from inspecting your gear.

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Option to hide/prevent others from inspecting your gear.

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Pandorah
01.19.2014 , 07:16 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Phyltr View Post
I have no idea what you're trying to get at with your first point. Math exists and optimal stat distribution, builds, and rotations will always exist and be quantifiable. Always.

Your second argument is obviously comparing apples and oranges. Cursing is offensive to some people and even more important it's a necessary part of parental controls. Your proposed toggle has no useful purpose and either you are intentionally making these false analogies or you legitimately don't understand the difference.
That's my point. You might follow the math 100% and care totally about the DR %. While someone else goes against your idea and builds with something like Alacrity and he is very effective, should he have an option to hide it? Yes.

It is not apples to orange, just like cursing is offensive. Some of us find that people inspecting other people is offensive, or we just want to hide our info at certain times for whatever reason. Making a simple toggle in the preference tab wouldn't change anything as other people have already stated. Even people who has disagreed with the option have said we have issues with under geared people currently. We all deal with them the same way, guidance and move to the next person. This just gives us more options within the game for those that want to use it.

I find it amazing how a simple on/off option for those who would like it causes so much drama. Don't use it if you don't want to, just like your other filters.

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Ratajack
01.19.2014 , 08:26 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Pandorah View Post
That's my point. You might follow the math 100% and care totally about the DR %. While someone else goes against your idea and builds with something like Alacrity and he is very effective, should he have an option to hide it? Yes.

It is not apples to orange, just like cursing is offensive. Some of us find that people inspecting other people is offensive, or we just want to hide our info at certain times for whatever reason. Making a simple toggle in the preference tab wouldn't change anything as other people have already stated. Even people who has disagreed with the option have said we have issues with under geared people currently. We all deal with them the same way, guidance and move to the next person. This just gives us more options within the game for those that want to use it.

I find it amazing how a simple on/off option for those who would like it causes so much drama. Don't use it if you don't want to, just like your other filters.
That poster appears to be one of the "cookie cutter" brand and appears to hold the opinion that if you deviate even a little, then you are a "baddie" and someone to be avoided like the plague.

I'd be very surprised if he were able to play without someone else telling where to put his talent points and what buttons to press in what order.

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Prototypemind
01.19.2014 , 09:38 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Pandorah View Post
That's my point. You might follow the math 100% and care totally about the DR %. While someone else goes against your idea and builds with something like Alacrity and he is very effective, should he have an option to hide it? Yes.

It is not apples to orange, just like cursing is offensive. Some of us find that people inspecting other people is offensive, or we just want to hide our info at certain times for whatever reason. Making a simple toggle in the preference tab wouldn't change anything as other people have already stated. Even people who has disagreed with the option have said we have issues with under geared people currently. We all deal with them the same way, guidance and move to the next person. This just gives us more options within the game for those that want to use it.

I find it amazing how a simple on/off option for those who would like it causes so much drama. Don't use it if you don't want to, just like your other filters.
You may find it offensive, but EAWare likes money, and finding pieces on others that are liked means more items bought directly off the CM and indirectly off GTN. I doubt this change is going to happen.

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Phyltr
01.19.2014 , 10:12 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
That poster appears to be one of the "cookie cutter" brand and appears to hold the opinion that if you deviate even a little, then you are a "baddie" and someone to be avoided like the plague.

I'd be very surprised if he were able to play without someone else telling where to put his talent points and what buttons to press in what order.
Well you don't really know me at all, do you. I have a program written and a spreadsheet that I use to compare stats using...*GASP* MATH! You might want to think you're a special little snowflake but the math doesn't lie, if you aren't listening to it you will be sub-optimal, that is just a fact of life. You might not be bad, but you won't be as good as you could be and, maybe its just me, but I don't like to do things half-way. I guess you can choose to gimp yourself in the name of originality and go around saying that everyone who listens to math is "cookie cutter".

I guess architects who listen to math to create structurally sound buildings are dumb too and you'd rather live in a building where the architect didn't use math and just winged it based on what felt good, eh? As long as a strong breeze doesn't come by, I'm sure you'll be ok.

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Phyltr
01.19.2014 , 10:17 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Pandorah View Post
That's my point. You might follow the math 100% and care totally about the DR %. While someone else goes against your idea and builds with something like Alacrity and he is very effective, should he have an option to hide it? Yes.
You could be effective but you will still be sub-optimal.

Quote: Originally Posted by Pandorah View Post
It is not apples to orange, just like cursing is offensive. Some of us find that people inspecting other people is offensive, or we just want to hide our info at certain times for whatever reason. Making a simple toggle in the preference tab wouldn't change anything as other people have already stated. Even people who has disagreed with the option have said we have issues with under geared people currently. We all deal with them the same way, guidance and move to the next person. This just gives us more options within the game for those that want to use it.

I find it amazing how a simple on/off option for those who would like it causes so much drama. Don't use it if you don't want to, just like your other filters.
Well, now you're just lying. Clearly, swearing is different than someone looking at what you're wearing but you've outed yourself as someone who will lie and use hyperbole to try and make a point. Looking at what clothes you're wearing and having your kid be called a "F&*$#N C&*!T" are wildly different and if you can't acknowledge that simple truth its worthless to discuss with you because in your mind you'll always be right and just shout anything you can think of to support your point of view regardless of its basis in reality.

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Ratajack
01.19.2014 , 10:24 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Phyltr View Post
Well you don't really know me at all, do you. I have a program written and a spreadsheet that I use to compare stats using...*GASP* MATH! You might want to think you're a special little snowflake but the math doesn't lie, if you aren't listening to it you will be sub-optimal, that is just a fact of life. You might not be bad, but you won't be as good as you could be and, maybe its just me, but I don't like to do things half-way. I guess you can choose to gimp yourself in the name of originality and go around saying that everyone who listens to math is "cookie cutter".

I guess architects who listen to math to create structurally sound buildings are dumb too and you'd rather live in a building where the architect didn't use math and just winged it based on what felt good, eh? As long as a strong breeze doesn't come by, I'm sure you'll be ok.
Architects use math, yes, but they are NOT tied to only one way to do things, unlike some people in this thread. That might explain why there are so many different styles of buildings. Funny thing is that they ALL seem to be sound, not just the style that someone who "claims" to use a spreadsheet says is the "ONE, TRUE STYLE and all others are merely waiting for the first strong breeze to cause them to topple".

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Phyltr
01.19.2014 , 10:30 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Architects use math, yes, but they are NOT tied to only one way to do things, unlike some people in this thread. That might explain why there are so many different styles of buildings. Funny thing is that they ALL seem to be sound, not just the style that someone who "claims" to use a spreadsheet says is the "ONE, TRUE STYLE and all others are merely waiting for the first strong breeze to cause them to topple".
Ok, dude, go be happy being worse than you could be, I don't care. If you don't want to acknowledge that using math one can quantitatively and definitively prove the best way to spec, then you're just lying to yourself.

Note: I am referring to things in PVE, I don't personally care about PVP but recognize that far more variables exist in a PVP environment and more choices exist. I'm sure there is a mathematically best way to spec assuming everyone else also does exactly what they're supposed to as well, but that's far less likely than an Op boss behaving exactly like its supposed to.

Edit: yeah, there are multiple ways to build a building and perhaps that wasn't my best analogy but there will still be a best design, one that provides the most structurally sound building. Just like in network cabling there is a best way that provides the least amount if impedance and that provides the best network throughput.

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MajikMyst
01.19.2014 , 10:37 AM | #58
If people want to keep people from seeing what gear they have.. Fine..

I can kick them from any op, flashpoint, or PVP for hiding their gear..

Assuming someone makes the unwise decision of allowing someone hiding their gear to stay in any of the above activities, any and all drops will also be hidden from said person and they will be unable to roll on anything..

At the very least, unable to need roll on anything.. At least not until they come to terms with the idea that a need roll also means allowing others to see that you actually need something..

Bottom line in my opinion, if you have something to hide from your fellow players, then you have no business playing with fellow players.. I would actually argue that someone hiding their gear or stats, shouldn't be allowed to participate in any group activity..
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Phyltr
01.19.2014 , 10:50 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
If people want to keep people from seeing what gear they have.. Fine..

I can kick them from any op, flashpoint, or PVP for hiding their gear..

Assuming someone makes the unwise decision of allowing someone hiding their gear to stay in any of the above activities, any and all drops will also be hidden from said person and they will be unable to roll on anything..

At the very least, unable to need roll on anything.. At least not until they come to terms with the idea that a need roll also means allowing others to see that you actually need something..

Bottom line in my opinion, if you have something to hide from your fellow players, then you have no business playing with fellow players.. I would actually argue that someone hiding their gear or stats, shouldn't be allowed to participate in any group activity..
See, I agree with this to a point, but then I realize that people are awful. You know that it will cause drama, you know that kicking someone because they refuse to show their gear will result in tons of $h*! talk in general and maybe even the forums. That's drama that just isn't necessary. If you refuse to let someone roll need, even if you were clear with the rules beforehand, there will still be drama, that person will scream bloody murder and freak out. It is inevitable that people who crave drama will use this as a tool to cause it.

It just seems like way more trouble than its worth.

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Joradan
06.22.2014 , 03:29 PM | #60
I would love to see this option in game, /signed.