Hey, at-least augment your gear and use a Stim before you enter a WZ.

Very long quote here. But let me ask you this: do you augment your gear in the sub 55 brackets with equal level augments? Do you always have low level stims on?

If no, then your argument ends here seeing as you are PvPing in less than optimal gear. You are choosing not to spend credits to make yourself valuable to the team. And no one cares. But all the sudden at 55, if you aren't giving yourself every advantage you can, then you should just uninstall.

Not everyone is doing PvP because they want to win every match and be the BESTEST EVARRRR. Some people enjoy a little break to do some PvP from their other activities and I'm fine with that in regular warzones. It's a casual environment for casual players. And if their gear really bugs you, feel free to quit the warzone. It's what 90% of people do anyway.

Now ranked is a different story since BW's matchmaking doesn't work. If you aren't min/max Conqueror equivelant with a full set of at least blue augments, then don't queue ranked solo. Also, you can't complain when you die fast or can't perform in PvP if you don't augment your gear since you are handicapping yourself. I encourage people to augment, but it's certainly not mandatory to enjoy the game.

Wow, what a dumb argument. You are comparing lowbies where almost no one is augmented, where augments are worth little to nothing compared to how much you get bolstered, and where money really is hard to get to 55 where you face fully geared/augmented premades, augments are THE biggest gear gap and money is relatively easy to get. Well the answer is, yes I augment, but it makes very little difference (if any) in my performance, which is why I don't mind if other's don't augment. Heck I don't even mind the occasional low expertise due to lack of relics people on my team because I know that BW makes it tough to get relics for people who are neutral.

That's fine if they are casual, but honestly, is it REALLY that hard to get one new blue augment every 2-3 days? I mean, are we asking them to move 8000 ton blocks, or spend 20 hours a day gearing up? No. Just asking people to hold off on buying a useless throne speeder to not be a burden on the rest of the team. I don't believe that is too much to ask. It is not different than asking people to get some decent gear for TFB or DP before coming into an op team.

Ranked is the equivalent of HM/NiM ops where you need to grind out the absolute perfect gear in order to get a spot on a team. Once again, no one is asking for that, we are just asking people to do the bare minimum, get a few blues and try to get all 14 as you are able to. This is not asking for a lot. It is quicker to get those than it is to get gear for the new SM ops honestly, I don't understand why so many people have a problem with this.

It's extremely cost prohibitive. If you play a lot, a million credits doesn't sound like too much. If you are a casual player, you might prefer to buy a dye kit, a cool chestpiece, or an awesome mount with that money. People have different priorities in game and if PvP is towards the bottom of their list, they shouldn't be prohibited or discouraged from doing what they enjoy anyway.

Honestly, I don't see how you can complain about anything in regs. We can try and educate the masses on proper gear, stats, strategy, and specs, but it's up to the player what they want to do. If you don't enjoy having players who don't share your desire to always be competitive, then I suggest you join the ranked scene and play with like minded individuals rather than forcing your playstyle on everyone else. After all, if everyone who complained about regs did rated, the queues would be popping all the time for you.

Depending on the server it cost about 2 mill per toon to fully Aug in all purples...much cheaper if you settle for blues but a lot of people don't have that lying around if they don't grind dailies. If all you do is pvp it's much harder to come up with that much cash.

As a side note i have tons of alts and still top the metals and dps even if I'm not in a fully Aug 'ed toon in regs.

"Augments aren't needed in pve" is again your opinion. Last time we had this chat, there was another person who said that you will get kicked out of 55 HM fp groups if you haven't got augments and a stim.
But I get it - in your opinion, if people have other priorities than augments, they are bad people and should be banned from pvp.

Am I being unclear, don't you understand the word "compare" or are you just trying to say that these things aren't comparable? I'm assuming the last one (though I'm not sure how comparing two things is "putting words to your mouth"), so let me explain.
Undergeared person could have spent hours grinding dailies or crafting in order to get more money, but for some reason he decided not to. Maybe because it's dull and takes a lot of time they'd prefer to use for something fun instead, or maybe they are grinding money to something else.
Underskilled person could have spent hours watching pvp videos, reading about pvp and practicing their rotation on a training dummy, but for some reason he decided not to. Maybe because it's dull and takes a lot of time they'd prefer to use for something fun instead, or maybe they are busy learning ops tactics.

And you never mention how much you pvp during a day. If a person only rarely plays endgame/certain alt, I assume this person should be excluded from pvp (at least while playing that particular alt). But if they rarely touch that alt, how could that alt have enough money to augments?



Okay, having 2 augments gives you 56+ main stat. I.e. trooper gets 44 aim from datacrons. Datacrons are usually considered to be trivial in regs. 44 more main stat is trivial, but 56 is not?



Good to get that cleared - since you decided not to attack other people who have said that not having augments is okay or augments don't matter, it seemed rather weird that you decided to do that for me. This time you at least answered to my points.

I have to agree with this. I don't generally like the people who feel that they have the right to exclude other people based on their opinions. I'm not saying you have to like everyone, you can wish not to be grouped with people of certain kind, you can ask for a way to not to be matched with these people. But saying that these people aren't allowed to queue because they annoy you is pretty harsh, if not selfish. I don't like people who spend the whole warzone swearing and insulting teammates, I wish not to get grouped with them, but I still think they have the same right to queue as I do. I'm not somehow more special simply because I choose not to swear and insult people, and I don't think anyone should be excluded from an activity they enjoy simply because they cause some minor annoyance to me.

I could say the same thing for people coming into DF sm with greens. They have different priorities and maybe they don't want to waste their time in fps, maybe they don't want to use their basic comms for gear, maybe they want to buy/resell isotope-9 to get a cool chestpiece or an awesome mount, how dare anyone try to stop them from enjoying PvE like everyone else.

You still need regs to finish your dailies/weeklies and I personally do not want to knowingly handicap my team and force them to take more time than necessary to finish theirs if I know I can easily do something about it. But I guess I'm a bad person for asking others to do just 1/20 of what I try to do when I get my new characters to 55. Once again, you like many others assume we just want an all or nothing when that couldn't be further from the truth. You don't have to come in on the first day in all purples, just like you don't have to know everything about wzs/arenas on the first day. But there is no excuse for not progressing at all other than laziness and not caring about your teammates.

As for me personally, I have been in solo ranked queue for so long I could've raised 3 new characters in that time (I got only 2 pops).

PvE is not PvP. You compare the toughest operation to casual PvP. I'd happily enough do EV-EC with someone in 66s they got from Oricon and no augments or worse. And if I didn't want to, then I would leave the group if someone was undergeared to the point of not being able to clear it (since it takes 60+ minutes, not 15 like a warzone). Comparing PvE and PvP will always be apples and oranges.

Also remember, that PvE costs money as well. Maybe they are augmenting gear for operations. Maybe they are spending money moving mods around for PvE. That shouldn't prohibit them from PvPing. I'm not going to buy an augment or 2 for my PvP gear amidst augmenting 14 pieces for PvE. Not to mention many PvE driven players PvP solely for relics, meaning they don't want a separate set for PvP, but may participate in matches.

Basically, people PvP for different reasons and in the most casual atmosphere, no one should restrict them from doing so. I would guess you are NOT on a PvP server based on ranked queues not popping at all for you. On a PvP server, you will see more players geared for PvP based on the focus of the server.

This thread has been cute and educational and all but...

You're still a nub, that baddie was right

Sorry, not really correct.

Each class has one of their companions that, when you get max affection (10000) gives you +1% to crit chance, and another that gives you +1% to crit bonus damage.

Not world-altering changes, but I do like to crit as often as possible, and do as much damage when I crit as possible. Anyway, point is, companion affection does affect warzone performance.

Other stuff in thread: if people don't want to use stims or augment, that's up to them (in regs, where they've no lower bracket to go), but then they're happy damaging their team's chances to win by turning up gimped. Both stims and augments give you a heap more stats. Learn Biochem on a char, stims are free then (or even profitable).

Also, if you're not going to use stims or augment at all, then you definitely aren't doing all in your power to improve your own performance, and so have no grounds to complain if you get your arse handed to you.