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Hey, at-least augment your gear and use a Stim before you enter a WZ.

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Hey, at-least augment your gear and use a Stim before you enter a WZ.

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Banderal
01.12.2014 , 06:24 PM | #31
Meh. I see the usefulness of the augments and stims, but I don't see that I'm justified in demanding that others HAVE to have them to enter a WZ - especially PUGs. If we can demand that everyone else play the game the way we want, then I don't want anyone stepping in any WZ unless they agree to stay and never quit. No matter how bad the game is going. They ruin MY game, every time I backfill into something and don't get a full match. (And, no, I'm not advocating a quitter penalty, or anything like that, I'm just using it as an example of something that annoys me, and trying to show why I don't agree that we can demand how others play the game.)

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cycao
01.12.2014 , 09:37 PM | #32
If someone doesn't want to sink credits into augments or stims that is fine. Personally I wish more players would take the time to get their toons ready before queuing at 55. It's not a sprint, I don't think I have ever reached 55 on a character and not taken the time to make sure I have as much gear as possible, plenty of wz adrenals/medpacks, augments and stims.

In reality I see no reason to not want to use augs or stims since you should want your character to be as strong as possible but if you chose not to whether you think it's too much money or whatever excuse you want to use to each their own I guess.

However you shouldn't be complaining (and I'm not saying they even do) about certain aspects of this game like groups in reg queues or class balance. I think of it like politics, if you don't vote then don't complain.

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Pistols
01.13.2014 , 02:33 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
If someone doesn't want to sink credits into augments or stims that is fine. Personally I wish more players would take the time to get their toons ready before queuing at 55. It's not a sprint, I don't think I have ever reached 55 on a character and not taken the time to make sure I have as much gear as possible, plenty of wz adrenals/medpacks, augments and stims.

In reality I see no reason to not want to use augs or stims since you should want your character to be as strong as possible but if you chose not to whether you think it's too much money or whatever excuse you want to use to each their own I guess.

However you shouldn't be complaining (and I'm not saying they even do) about certain aspects of this game like groups in reg queues or class balance. I think of it like politics, if you don't vote then don't complain.
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Seireeni
01.13.2014 , 04:32 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
If someone doesn't want to sink credits into augments or stims that is fine. Personally I wish more players would take the time to get their toons ready before queuing at 55. It's not a sprint, I don't think I have ever reached 55 on a character and not taken the time to make sure I have as much gear as possible, plenty of wz adrenals/medpacks, augments and stims.

In reality I see no reason to not want to use augs or stims since you should want your character to be as strong as possible but if you chose not to whether you think it's too much money or whatever excuse you want to use to each their own I guess.

However you shouldn't be complaining (and I'm not saying they even do) about certain aspects of this game like groups in reg queues or class balance. I think of it like politics, if you don't vote then don't complain.
Agreed. If a person chooses not to have augments or stims, it's okay, it's their game and winning/losing in regs isn't such a big deal. However, if the person gets stomped with 10k smashes/mauls/whatever, it's not the fault of the people who chooses to wear augments and use stims, since they have the same right to do so. It's just consequence of their choice.
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Lundorff
01.13.2014 , 05:54 AM | #35
Lack of information - yes I agree - plays a large part and we can not expect that everyone is geared optimal from the start.

I will however say that if people are asked to meet the requirements of the PVE-crowd MUST BE 72/78, MUST KNOW TACTICS etc., then I don't think it's too much to ask that the PVE-crowd switch from PVE gear to something that will be bolstered to max. It makes a world of difference to fight with an entire team where everybody has 2018 expertise. Or at least +1900.

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cycao
01.13.2014 , 06:59 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Pistols View Post
^ This man is so smeksy!!

Woah PISTOLS.

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Uber_the_Goober
01.13.2014 , 07:19 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
And don't skip over datacrons or maxing your companions affection.
For those not playing along at home, this is sarcasm - companion affection has no effect on warzone performance. Datacrons are meh.

Quote: Originally Posted by JidaiDerriphan View Post
Then you're part of the problem just as much as the no augmented and non-stimmers. I'm also looking at you people who don't min/max your obrion armor....
Again, this is sarcasm, or troll. Either way, pay no mind. These are not the comments you are looking for.

Quote: Originally Posted by georgemattson View Post
So is it your stance that players should not do 55 PvP until/unless they've fully maxed out all five companions' affection and gotten every applicable datacron they can find?
Georgy Georgy...I love your effort man. I really do. But I sure hope you realize that people who actually expect this kind of thing...they're not worth playing with. At all. The only time this level of gear/stat requirement will be an issue is in ranked arenas. And if you're competing in a ranked arena, then it doesn't even need to be said. Either you'll already be min/maxed/datacron'd/augmented or your personal skill will overcome those minor issues.

Augmenting is the only thing you must-do to compete meaningfully. Min maxing helps but not as much as personal skill, stims fall next in line, and datacrons do NOTHING to affect your performance in a meaningful way. Literally NOTHING. Anyone who doubts me go ahead and do the math. You having .025 additional bonus damage or whatever means jack poop when compared to the fact that I run at 25ms ping and you run at 75ms ping (or whatever). Or the fact that I got a lucky RNG proc, and you didn't. I go for datacrons because it gives me warm fuzzies and is fun for the "achievement" but that's it.

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mulzii
01.13.2014 , 07:41 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
If someone doesn't want to sink credits into augments or stims that is fine. Personally I wish more players would take the time to get their toons ready before queuing at 55. It's not a sprint, I don't think I have ever reached 55 on a character and not taken the time to make sure I have as much gear as possible, plenty of wz adrenals/medpacks, augments and stims.

In reality I see no reason to not want to use augs or stims since you should want your character to be as strong as possible but if you chose not to whether you think it's too much money or whatever excuse you want to use to each their own I guess.

However you shouldn't be complaining (and I'm not saying they even do) about certain aspects of this game like groups in reg queues or class balance. I think of it like politics, if you don't vote then don't complain.
I agree with this, somewhat anyway. But augmenting is extremely expensive, and all i do is pvp. Having 10+ lvl 55s gets expensive if you don't pve or play the stupid cartel games. it takes time to to pay for 14x77k slots and 14 augs. Though if i'd recommend anything to nubs, is to get all orange gear asap at lower levels, aug immediately with 55 slots, then swap out augs as you level up. And once at 55, aug all in in 55 blue augs until you can affford purple.

As for stims, generally i just make most of my toons biochems and make the resuable ones. But on the toons i don't have biochem, since they are so freaking expensive to buy or make in resources, i have to check to see how quickly queues are popping and what the competetion is like. No sense spending money/using stims when you sit on the fleet waiting for queue pops or you get a pop and its a bunch of headless chickens...

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anwg
01.13.2014 , 08:48 AM | #39
The Ilum and Belsavis dailies are easy as heck for 55s and you can do them while waiting for warzone queue pops, so I have no credits is no excuse.

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sithBracer
01.13.2014 , 09:36 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Seireeni View Post
Agreed. If a person chooses not to have augments or stims, it's okay, it's their game and winning/losing in regs isn't such a big deal. However, if the person gets stomped with 10k smashes/mauls/whatever, it's not the fault of the people who chooses to wear augments and use stims, since they have the same right to do so. It's just consequence of their choice.
It's funny, if I show up in an op or fp in green gear I get insulted, kicked and put on ignore, if you show up in a wz with garbage stats and garbage expertise, you are "playing wzs how you want to play them" and I'm "infringing on your right to play the game how you want".
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