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An analysis of power: Meetra Surik

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An analysis of power: Meetra Surik

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S_W_LeGenD
12.19.2013 , 06:59 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax View Post
Like I stated in the OP, canonical evidence points to the Exile not being able to summon her power, Jaina, Ben, Katarn and even Master Yoda were unable to call open their power significantly when journeying across the same planet and the former three suffered effects from complete inability to call upon the Force at all, severe mental illness & direct inability to call on her power and with Master Katarn it was as extreme as Dark Side corruption.
I accept that Exile was likely not at the top of her game on Dromund Kaas though your revelation also affirms my position that Force-users (practitioners of the light) vary in their coping capability against effects of places strong in the dark side. Exile may have been negatively impacted on this world to a certain degree but she was able to sense danger in advance during combat situations, effectively duel dangerous opponents, unleash Force powers and even sense presence of Revan in this world before she would meet him.

Just consider the example of Mara Jade, she was able to perform much better on Dromund Kaas in comparison to Jaina, Ben and Katarn. Exile have experiences of her own that improved her coping capability in this respect.

So, yes, Exile was likely negatively impacted on Dromund Kaas but to assert that it was to great degree would be stretching this a bit. Continue to read below.

Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax View Post
Precognition allows you to sense an immediate mortal danger, precognition does not equate to instinctual reaction, precognition only ever happens when something that causes mortal danger to the person is about to happen, which is exactly the case where Scourge's double-cross comes in, normally she would have sensed such a thing, as she has done so on a counted 27 occasions that we know of, the fact she was unable to sense this and instead was killed so simply suggests her immense skill in Battle Precognition was severely under-mined.
What baffles me in this case is that Exile was able to sense danger in advance on this world, like inside that cave where she killed some elite soldiers of Nyriss.

Now the confusing part is that Scourge was able to stab her from the back but their is an explanation:

It is possible that Scourge masked his presence or something before backstabbing Exile; I know that the novel does not explicitly suggest this (I blame this on sloppy writing) but if Exile was able to sense danger in advance in other places on Dromund Kaas, she should have been able to sense danger in advance even inside the Citadel, because none of these places are (actual) powerful nexuses like the Dark Temple and Dark Force Temple.

No?

Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax View Post
Also whilst Force Ghosts are powerful, it is canonically accepted that they like Sith spirits are not as powerful as their living selves were.
Yes and No.

Both are powerful but not in the same way. Their are some spirits who are not able to influence others in physical realm (join the netherworld; become one with the Force or vice versa) but their are some spirits who are able to (Entities). Spirits which are able to influence others in physical realm, are canonically very powerful apparitions, and indicate that their living selves possessed some understanding of matters of immortality in life.

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Also their is a direct statement that Surik didn't only supply him with the power to carry on but also emboldened his will, this only makes sense considering the fact that Revan's mind has been dominated easily once before by the Sith Emperor, in a direct mental battle, the most important factor is willpower and it is pretty clear that the Exile greatly bolstered Revan's own will to be able to influence his mind at all.
Their is a direct statement?

Yes, Revan got overwhelmed in mental battle when he met Sith Emperor first time but he had improved and developed new powers (special counter-measures) afterwards. He even taught Exile about how to strengthen her will just in case. Of-course, Revan is not on the level of Sith Emperor in the matters of telepathy and enforcing his will but the former is still extraordinarily capable in these matters nonetheless.

Ground reality is that even though Revan was a master of telepathic abilities, he would not have been able to wage mental war with Sith Emperor on his own accord due to great disparity in power between the two. However, Exile's apparition granted Revan the necessary "reservoir of power" which would make it possible for the latter Jedi Master to wage mental war with the Sith Emperor on equal footing (The act of waging mental war with Sith Emperor is Revan's own feat based on his own capability and mastery of these matters) but the STRENGTH to do so was provided by Exile's apparition. If Exile had not been present, Revan may have perished because he was virtually helpless inside that machine.

Exile's apparition offers unlimited "reservoir of energy" from which Revan is able to draw strength from:

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- and wage mental war with Sith Emperor with support from the aforementioned strength but his own mastery of these matters:

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Clear?

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In the nutshell, your essay is very well done, but you gave too much credit to Exile in few areas. Slight tone-down of these points would make the essay perfect.

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Bellatoro
12.19.2013 , 07:10 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax View Post
Precognition allows you to sense an immediate mortal danger, precognition does not equate to instinctual reaction, precognition only ever happens when something that causes mortal danger to the person is about to happen, which is exactly the case where Scourge's double-cross comes in, normally she would have sensed such a thing, as she has done so on a counted 27 occasions that we know of, the fact she was unable to sense this and instead was killed so simply suggests her immense skill in Battle Precognition was severely under-mined.
Her abilitys were clearly under-mined, but i think the force simply don´t want her to see it. She had the chance to kill the emporer, but she decided to save revan instead (poor choice, i assume he would give his life if it is necessary), so the force turned away and prefered the hero of tython to accomplish this task. Similar to malaks betrayal, when revan didn´t feel a whole star destroyer preparing to fire at him.

The force can be treacherous.
I am the keeper of a thousand arcane secrets and each one would drive you mad! MAD!
=> Vaarsuvius, ambiguously gendered elf

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LadyKulvax
12.19.2013 , 09:39 AM | #13
The main point behind the Exile being unable to call upon the Force is simple, why did she not summon her supremely powerful command of the Light Side? because she can't, we have evidence that supports that devout Light Side force users were severely hampered on Dromund Kaas, Mara Jade is not a very good comparison because she has never been a seriously devout follower of the Light nor has she shared such a deep connection.

We must also count on a crucial fact, one of the Exile's main techniques was her ability to center herself deeply in the Force, allowing her to summon very powerful bursts of Force energy, she could do so whilst engaging in combat, it is called Moving Meditation and the KotOR CG confirms she used this to take down the Trayus Academy.

On Dromund Kaas she was evidently unable to use Moving Meditation and seemed to struggle when attempting to meditate clearly on the Force.

That is why she is unable to call upon her strong command of the Force to battle Nyriss and the Sith Emperor, Sever Force would have come in great use against such heavyweight Force Users in battle, she has shown an ability to use Sever Force in mid-combat once before, if she was able to do this against Nyriss she would have, it would have saved them a LOT of trouble.

I edited the OP slightly to greater reflect her contribution to Revan's battle of wills against the Emperor.
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