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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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valeita
12.14.2013 , 04:00 AM | #6751
How people can pvp a bit more than casually and don't premade? (since it seems like the definition of premade in this thread is any kind of group composed by 2+ individuals) if you enjoy rolling the dice and play with bads, sorry but that's your choice. Isn't so hard to add good players to friend list and see if you can do some match together. This is NOT a single player game, this is an MMO (why i have to repeat this every single time?) and should behave as such.

If you want to stay alone (why whyy) there's a queue solo (ranked) button for that.

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UncelSam
12.14.2013 , 04:06 AM | #6752
Quote: Originally Posted by valeita View Post
How people can pvp a bit more than casually and don't premade? (since it seems like the definition of premade in this thread is any kind of group composed by 2+ individuals) if you enjoy rolling the dice and play with bads, sorry but that's your choice. Isn't so hard to add good players to friend list and see if you can do some match together. This is NOT a single player game, this is an MMO (why i have to repeat this every single time?) and should behave as such.

If you want to stay alone (why whyy) there's a queue solo (ranked) button for that.
No one is saying your are not allowed to group.

If your in a group you go face grouped ppl in pvp. Have fun!!

Why do you premade ppl urge to face solo players with bad gear and no healers?

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iRedRIng
12.14.2013 , 04:56 AM | #6753
You realize not every premade is good right? Also, when I do normals it's usually on a toon that wouldn't do good in ranked so it's not really giving an advantage. Using premades as a reason you lose just seems like a scapegoat.

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UncelSam
12.14.2013 , 06:22 AM | #6754
Quote: Originally Posted by iRedRIng View Post
You realize not every premade is good right? Also, when I do normals it's usually on a toon that wouldn't do good in ranked so it's not really giving an advantage. Using premades as a reason you lose just seems like a scapegoat.
Most premades arent good at all, but its the very premade team that brings up the bad team member to a good level. The premade team is the very reason of succsess, since the premade team brings uberstrong healers, alot of comms to buy gear for, voice comm, and alot of other unbalacing stuff. Its NOT the skills of the player that Counts at all. True that.

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PloGreen
12.14.2013 , 06:54 AM | #6755
Quote: Originally Posted by UncelSam View Post
Most premades rent good at all, but its the very premade team that brings up the bad team member to a good level. The premade team is the very reason of succsess, since the premade team brings uberstrong healers, alot of comms to buy gear for, voice comm, and alot of other unbalacing stuff. Its NOT the skills of the player that Counts at all. True that.
That makes absolutely no sense at all.

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UncelSam
12.14.2013 , 07:28 AM | #6756
I know its hard for you to understand Plogreen. U have to finish University first to understand complicated reasoning.

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Zorion
12.14.2013 , 07:28 AM | #6757
I think the core issue that should be adressed is that :
Premade is a group, normally in PVE a group is better suited to tackle hard quests.
However you may pull it of soloing the pve-encounter, but you know its due to skill.
Do the pve encounter with a friend or several and you blow through the content (I'm talking about the Group content, not ops(aka raid))

This is the core issue. We who solo que want to face contenders on our same level, or atleast not a group that have set up the match to be in they're favor just by composition.

Also premades as ppl point aint always good, this is the case indeed.
again -> the core we have against it isnt "directly" the premades as much as the TEAMS.
Teams = people who que as a group on regular basis 4-8hrs pr day with dedicated roles (tank/heals/hybrids if need be)

Casual groups I doubt anyone have an issue with. Sadly the casual groups will be if we soloquers get our goals -> shafted and face the teams. (thats another disscussion)

Alot of the defenders of the "premades" who cant understand its team, I'm guessing they're not on our servers where this is a "critical" issue. (like my rp-server).

Some months ago Ebon Hawk had a migration of players over to PO5 (some wandered to Bastion).
They did this to get some real 8 man ranked wz's.
What happend? there was still a few "teams" left on Ebon hawk, but they wasnt as dominant as in you'd face'em constant + they where good about switching to either sides alts to shake things up abit.
* lots of new blood joined the ranks of pvp since they werent getting roflstomped.
(Keep in mind the pvp population at lvl 55 is most likely 100-200 at peak's in all honesty when I do who and see how many active wz's there is + 4man arean I get a number on average at 60-70'sh)
The migrated ppl then got shafted with removal of 8man ranked and got 4man + some of them didnt enjoy the po5 enviroment (bit toxic) + they didnt all get the results they wanted (but hey a few of the teams got some attention for they're skill doing ranked (GG)
-> return of migrated ppl and boom the random casuals stopped pvp'ing again.
So now each time you que there will be a premade on other side and due to the sad size of population + they're
que-dodgeing to not fight other premades, soloqueing is a pain in the ***.

There is a few solutions to this issue :
1. give xserver (fork out the money and make it happend, program it while hero-engine dont support it, there is always a way if you want it. (character copy to a "pvp-realm" that is virtually instant, then cc back to origin server)
2. make soloquer fight only soloquers and groups fight groups.
3. let things be as they are and loose all the ppl who's actually vocal about the issue on the forums (given that this is the biggest thread on the forums and normally only a marginal % of a player population will go to a forum and qq/ask for change) you do the maths.
New games on horizon 4.4.14 (ESO) Where this wont be an issue.

I will def not play this game after new year if the current state of pvp of my server is like this.
And no I wont re-roll on pvp server (I have toons on po5 and the ppl there is toxic so I know how it is, and I can play'em toons, but there is other stuff po5 dont offer that eh do.)

No you cant have my stuff nor my monies.

The end of rant.

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UncelSam
12.14.2013 , 07:37 AM | #6758
Quote: Originally Posted by Zorion View Post
I think the core issue that should be adressed is that :
Premade is a group, normally in PVE a group is better suited to tackle hard quests.
However you may pull it of soloing the pve-encounter, but you know its due to skill.
Do the pve encounter with a friend or several and you blow through the content (I'm talking about the Group content, not ops(aka raid))

This is the core issue. We who solo que want to face contenders on our same level, or atleast not a group that have set up the match to be in they're favor just by composition.

Also premades as ppl point aint always good, this is the case indeed.
again -> the core we have against it isnt "directly" the premades as much as the TEAMS.
Teams = people who que as a group on regular basis 4-8hrs pr day with dedicated roles (tank/heals/hybrids if need be)

Casual groups I doubt anyone have an issue with. Sadly the casual groups will be if we soloquers get our goals -> shafted and face the teams. (thats another disscussion)

Alot of the defenders of the "premades" who cant understand its team, I'm guessing they're not on our servers where this is a "critical" issue. (like my rp-server).

Some months ago Ebon Hawk had a migration of players over to PO5 (some wandered to Bastion).
They did this to get some real 8 man ranked wz's.
What happend? there was still a few "teams" left on Ebon hawk, but they wasnt as dominant as in you'd face'em constant + they where good about switching to either sides alts to shake things up abit.
* lots of new blood joined the ranks of pvp since they werent getting roflstomped.
(Keep in mind the pvp population at lvl 55 is most likely 100-200 at peak's in all honesty when I do who and see how many active wz's there is + 4man arean I get a number on average at 60-70'sh)
The migrated ppl then got shafted with removal of 8man ranked and got 4man + some of them didnt enjoy the po5 enviroment (bit toxic) + they didnt all get the results they wanted (but hey a few of the teams got some attention for they're skill doing ranked (GG)
-> return of migrated ppl and boom the random casuals stopped pvp'ing again.
So now each time you que there will be a premade on other side and due to the sad size of population + they're
que-dodgeing to not fight other premades, soloqueing is a pain in the ***.

There is a few solutions to this issue :
1. give xserver (fork out the money and make it happend, program it while hero-engine dont support it, there is always a way if you want it. (character copy to a "pvp-realm" that is virtually instant, then cc back to origin server)
2. make soloquer fight only soloquers and groups fight groups.
3. let things be as they are and loose all the ppl who's actually vocal about the issue on the forums (given that this is the biggest thread on the forums and normally only a marginal % of a player population will go to a forum and qq/ask for change) you do the maths.
New games on horizon 4.4.14 (ESO) Where this wont be an issue.

I will def not play this game after new year if the current state of pvp of my server is like this.
And no I wont re-roll on pvp server (I have toons on po5 and the ppl there is toxic so I know how it is, and I can play'em toons, but there is other stuff po5 dont offer that eh do.)

No you cant have my stuff nor my monies.

The end of rant.
5 stars for this post.

It has identification of the problem, identification of the troublemakers, and a constructive solution.

Brilliant job!

With the current situ this game won survive the competion of ESO. If I could chose we should have a pvp balance to face the competion of ESO so we can keep enjoying BOTH games (ESO and SWTOR) in the future.

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SajPl
12.14.2013 , 07:54 AM | #6759
Quote: Originally Posted by UncelSam View Post
Most premades arent good at all, but its the very premade team that brings up the bad team member to a good level. The premade team is the very reason of succsess, since the premade team brings uberstrong healers, alot of comms to buy gear for, voice comm, and alot of other unbalacing stuff. Its NOT the skills of the player that Counts at all. True that.
Ah there is the secret ! For a premade and you magically gain a full set of gear, lots of comms and mad skills. I encourage all badds to group with other badds and benefit from this wonderful discovery.

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UncelSam
12.14.2013 , 07:58 AM | #6760
Quote: Originally Posted by SajPl View Post
Ah there is the secret ! For a premade and you magically gain a full set of gear, lots of comms and mad skills. I encourage all badds to group with other badds and benefit from this wonderful discovery.
Yet an other lil kid who cant read and understand....sigh

Premades has HEALERS that most PUG teams hasnt. If you have HEALERS youll prolly WIN if the opponent lacks HEALERS. IF you WIN you get REWARDS as good GEAR. If you WIN multiple times your GEAR will be very GOOD. If you have a whole TEAM that does this theyll all be very GOOD. If this team forms a PREMADE team theyll be kicking *** vs PUGs who cant compete at all vs the PREMADE team.

Understand now? Good. move on,.