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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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RangerFett
12.13.2013 , 01:55 AM | #6701
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRaika View Post
Guys, I am the only one posting about the issue. Lets get on topic so we can actually discuss the issue please.
What issue? All I hear is crying from people who want to win without competing, succeed without putting in the work, and getting better without learning. I see no issue here. Only foolishness.

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SilverWF
12.13.2013 , 01:57 AM | #6702
What BW need to do and it will be very-very simple:

1. Add check-button in the WZ queue window. "Play vs soloers only" - this button will works only if player queued as solo. If checked, solo player will never met with (ally or enemy) players, queued as group

or

2. Just separate group players and solo-players. If you queued as solo, so your allies and enemies will be solo too. If you queued as group, so your allies and enemies will be from group queue too


I don't care about raised queue time for group players: if you wanna WZ happens more often, so queue as solo, period. If you wanna solid allies and enemies, so queue as group and wait, until it happens

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Azzataky
12.13.2013 , 02:01 AM | #6703
Quote: Originally Posted by Marrius View Post
No my reasoning states that a premade is more likely to win.


I didn't answer this before because it was not only off topic. but it was rhetorical. Meaning that it was self evident and needn't an answer. I didn't think you so simple minded that you needed me to state that the difference between people that interrupt or disarm and people that don't is both knowledge and skill. Knowledge for what to do and skill in executing it.

Now that being said, I have already posted how skill and organization or separate entities and seeing as I took the time to go back and answer your rhetoric, you can take the time to go back and educate yourself.

Furthermore in your next post you compare pugs to choosing from world class players for a football team. This example gave me a chuckle to think you have such high regard for pug players. PUGs may have higher calibre players in them (more often, and unfortunately, premades have the more skilled players) The thing is even an unskilled team can win over a skilled team if the unskilled team is organized and this is what I have been saying all along about premades. As a rule premades have more organization than pugs.

Now I have answered your silly questions and tried to stay on topic. will you now (if you are able) please do likewise in your future posts?

Merry Christmas.
Unskilled team is rarely more organized than skilled team. Because having skill in PvP also means you know how to teamplay, its kinda part of skill thingy. One thing fits for every game, non-skilled players usualy don't know how to teamplay because they are not used to it - they don't have enough pvp experience. In every game a skilled team you can recognize right away, they do what they are supposed to do without being told. Theirs chat is filled only with relevant information and usualy they don't need to type much because experience gives them the advantage of knowledge of the map, teamplay and how to behave in certain situations.

On the other hand unskilled team has a lot of chat or none. Depends if there is some frustrated guy who knows how to play and tries to give advices or if he just leaves because he thinks its pointless to try to teach them something.

Its just this discussion might be more relevant if there would be prove that premades win way more than pug teams. Which I don't think you could find such a prove, but I'm just a human so I might be horribly wrong . But there is one statistic from games which is known to me. People who are negative and call others noobs etc. they tend to lose more games because theirs team just doesn't focus after them whining, also they don't focus as much. So maybe you should stop seeing premades as an enemy who can't be defeated, stop whining and think of a way how to get better and defeat them - thats what PvP player does.

Your logic with this is the same logic we apply on our planet, we change it to suit our needs which just harms the enviroment, same as if you change the game to meet some needs of unskilled players who just feel that there needs to be something done to make others as bad as they are so they can win more, instead of them adapting to the situation. That just makes skilled players leave.

Also in your signature you talk about fair game for majority. How is it fair to exclude some people only because they have friends, they like to play with and they have more skill than you do? Also who the hell is that majority? I'd love all people in PvP to grow and learn and I don't mind to try to help them with that. But I don't want to see PvP skilled players in one warzone and unskilled people in another warzone. What you are going to learn from players who don't know how to play? Usualy nothing. If you want to win so much just do what some unskilled people who have the same need (and don't want to learn) to win do, go in open world and kill lowbies.

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Marrius
12.13.2013 , 02:03 AM | #6704
Quote: Originally Posted by SilverWF View Post
What BW need to do and it will be very-very simple:

1. Add check-button in the WZ queue window. "Play vs soloers only" - this button will works only if player queued as solo. If checked, solo player will never met with (ally or enemy) players, queued as group

or

2. Just separate group players and solo-players. If you queued as solo, so your allies and enemies will be solo too. If you queued as group, so your allies and enemies will be from group queue too


I don't care about raised queue time for group players: if you wanna WZ happens more often, so queue as solo, period. If you wanna solid allies and enemies, so queue as group and wait, until it happens
Well this is definately one possible solution. Though I think it may get some backlash from those players on small population servers.

I do wish they would do cross servers but from what other posters have said in the forums, BW won't ever do this.

- group queue in normal WZ
+ 8v8 ranked
=========================
fair for the majority

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Ren_simp
12.13.2013 , 02:06 AM | #6705
Quote: Originally Posted by Marrius View Post
Been there done it. And yup stomped my share of pugs. It hurts the game and I (as I have posted before) now refuse to join unless they queue for ranked. Call me a reformed pugstomper



Only an idiot or a psychic would make wild claims about who someone is or what they have done without knowing said person.... What number am I thinking of?

Merry Christmas.
Nope you've never done it because if you had, you would know there really is no issue and you would know that
there actually is a matching system in normal wz if you join as a group you have a very high chance of facing another group and the the majority of complaints about premade lack any real knowledge of them always contain the most exaggerated example of a premade in a normal wz.

If you actually played the game instead thinking about how that premade beat me
You might have some fun.

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Marrius
12.13.2013 , 02:16 AM | #6706
Quote: Originally Posted by Azzataky View Post
Unskilled team is rarely more organized than skilled team. Because having skill in PvP also means you know how to teamplay, its kinda part of skill thingy. One thing fits for every game, non-skilled players usualy don't know how to teamplay because they are not used to it - they don't have enough pvp experience. In every game a skilled team you can recognize right away, they do what they are supposed to do without being told. Theirs chat is filled only with relevant information and usualy they don't need to type much because experience gives them the advantage of knowledge of the map, teamplay and how to behave in certain situations.

On the other hand unskilled team has a lot of chat or none. Depends if there is some frustrated guy who knows how to play and tries to give advices or if he just leaves because he thinks its pointless to try to teach them something.

Its just this discussion might be more relevant if there would be prove that premades win way more than pug teams. Which I don't think you could find such a prove, but I'm just a human so I might be horribly wrong . But there is one statistic from games which is known to me. People who are negative and call others noobs etc. they tend to lose more games because theirs team just doesn't focus after them whining, also they don't focus as much. So maybe you should stop seeing premades as an enemy who can't be defeated, stop whining and think of a way how to get better and defeat them - thats what PvP player does.

Your logic with this is the same logic we apply on our planet, we change it to suit our needs which just harms the enviroment, same as if you change the game to meet some needs of unskilled players who just feel that there needs to be something done to make others as bad as they are so they can win more, instead of them adapting to the situation. That just makes skilled players leave.

Also in your signature you talk about fair game for majority. How is it fair to exclude some people only because they have friends, they like to play with and they have more skill than you do? Also who the hell is that majority? I'd love all people in PvP to grow and learn and I don't mind to try to help them with that. But I don't want to see PvP skilled players in one warzone and unskilled people in another warzone. What you are going to learn from players who don't know how to play? Usualy nothing. If you want to win so much just do what some unskilled people who have the same need (and don't want to learn) to win do, go in open world and kill lowbies.
Azz your post is a little off...

First of all statistics are recorded pieces of information that are most often facts. How is your assumption about the psychology of a group a statistic? If it was you could reference it, no?

Second... READ MORE... it is apparent from your grammar and spelling that your strengths do not lay with the written word. Try reading past posts I have made as well as they address the rest of your claims.

Finally, I am sorry to have been so hard on you, but I applaud your persistence. My advice for you is to think your ideas through and ask yourself two questions before posting. 1) Has my question been answered sufficiently in previous posts? 2) Am I offering anything of value to the post, while sticking to the topic at hand?
- group queue in normal WZ
+ 8v8 ranked
=========================
fair for the majority

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Marrius
12.13.2013 , 02:18 AM | #6707
Quote: Originally Posted by Ren_simp View Post
Nope you've never done it because if you had, you would know there really is no issue and you would know that
there actually is a matching system in normal wz if you join as a group you have a very high chance of facing another group and the the majority of complaints about premade lack any real knowledge of them always contain the most exaggerated example of a premade in a normal wz.

If you actually played the game instead thinking about how that premade beat me
You might have some fun.
Juuussst as I thought .....not a psychic.

- group queue in normal WZ
+ 8v8 ranked
=========================
fair for the majority

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Ren_simp
12.13.2013 , 02:25 AM | #6708
Quote: Originally Posted by Marrius View Post
Azz your post is a little off...

First of all statistics are recorded pieces of information that are most often facts. How is your assumption about the psychology of a group a statistic? If it was you could reference it, no?

Second... READ MORE... it is apparent from your grammar and spelling that your strengths do not lay with the written word. Try reading past posts I have made as well as they address the rest of your claims.

Finally, I am sorry to have been so hard on you, but I applaud your persistence. My advice for you is to think your ideas through and ask yourself two questions before posting. 1) Has my question been answered sufficiently in previous posts? 2) Am I offering anything of value to the post, while sticking to the topic at hand?
Wow I've called you this before and so have others but to answer that post in this manner has confirmed
Troll.

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DarrelK
12.13.2013 , 02:28 AM | #6709
Erm.. Why all the QQ? If you don't want to fight premades, go solo ranked. At least you can be sure there won't be any premades! WHO WOULD HAVE BELIEVED THAT! (queue sync doesn't count, and also it is not a sure way to be "premade" in yolo queue)

If you insist that premades should be fine in Group Ranked, even if they are casuals, then I insist that lone wolfs can deal with it and play solo ranked, casual or not.

Who cares anyway?
[TRE] Oberei - occasionally a decent shadow

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UncelSam
12.13.2013 , 03:42 AM | #6710
Quote: Originally Posted by DarrelK View Post
Erm.. Why all the QQ? If you don't want to fight premades, go solo ranked. At least you can be sure there won't be any premades! WHO WOULD HAVE BELIEVED THAT! (queue sync doesn't count, and also it is not a sure way to be "premade" in yolo queue)

If you insist that premades should be fine in Group Ranked, even if they are casuals, then I insist that lone wolfs can deal with it and play solo ranked, casual or not.

Who cares anyway?
Premades have thier own WZ already - its called Ranked. Go there and face other premades, leave PUGs regular WZ alone plz.