Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

LOL! You know it is funny how when one of us 'premade haters' tears up one of your 'premade lover' arguments, you immediately assume we are QQing or whining.

The truth is that is that you know that with a thread like this something will eventually be done about the issue; understandably, this scares you. And as much as some of you claim it is not an issue, every time you post here, you make it more of an issue.

So thank you for supporting the thread.

Merry Christmas.

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- group joining in normal WZ queues
+ 8v8 ranked WZs
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A fair game for the majority

We have no fear because we play the game how it supposed to be played it's only you and the other anti group types that fear The realisation that your just no good at pvp and couldn't be bothered to go to the effort others doTo increase their chances of success.
I've already stated exactly why bioware will never comment on his issue
Additionally solo ranked queues are for solo players go there and seek refuge from the premade pug stomping machine.
Because were are ever present in normal wz as we have every right to be and no amount of crying and tantrum throwing will change this.

Pretty much this thread is an example of pissing in the wind

I never said I'm an expert PvP player. It just seems I have more knowledge of PvP than some other people who I try to help to understand. But they just seem to only go for dailies or weekly and don't care about objectives. Why I think I'm better in PvP than some is because I follow objectives and I played many PvP games before - some things apply to any PvP game. Also as I said, I'm going to play ranked once I have the equipment for it, because I have no augments which make the biggest difference here, I was told by other ranked players when I tried it (all had augmented gear and ranked gear mods) to get better equipment and come back. They are better PvPers therefore I listened.

Lets try this again, shall we? If I would go and pick my friends who I know they can play football for example, I know them, I like them, we played together before many times. Than I would go and pick random players from best football teams in the world - therefore they would be just a PUG against us being a PREMADE by your logic. Now, do you think they would win or we would?

P.S. Yes I didn't react much on your previous post because you say the same thing again and again yet it doesn't make any sence - and also I wanted you to know I'm talking to you . But you also didn't answer any of my questions, probably because you know that it wouldn't go with your "flawless" logic. I really would love to get answer on my "bomb interrupting teams" and this football example because I think you can't disprove that. Surprise me with your reasoning how I'm wrong in this. I dare you!

Guys, I am the only one posting about the issue. Lets get on topic so we can actually discuss the issue please.

What's the issue again? I think everything that could be said has been form both sides we are all just repeating ourselves now

If the game were the way it was supposed to be then we wouldn't need any updates, character tweeking, WZ additions, WZ removals etc....

I do just fine, As I have stated before I am arguing for fair play not just for myself but for the game.

You fear change. This is natural. I love change, even if it is bad because we can only learn through making mistakes.

This game is in trouble. It needs more subscribers but as long as people like you are willing to take advantage of the mechanics and call it 'the way it was meant to be played' you will continue to drive people away (at least from PVP) This kind of selfishness is what lights a fire under my butt and it is for this reason I will go to the wall with this thread no matter if you think it is pissing in the wind or not.

Hey I lLove change too when I lose I don't blame it on my team or the team I faced I don't pick through the classes thinking oh they won because of x class w/e when I lose a match I look at my actions and performance and seek to change what I did wrong so I improve my chances of winning next time.

People need to stop blaming premades for their losses and change the way they deal with them within then game
Like said before we aren't going away so it upto you guys with the premade problem to change you attitude toward group pvp.

In the pvp menu The only option to join as "solo" is in the solo ranked in normals it's join wz or join as group those are the titles on the buttons those are the options deal with that.

I am not answering your questions because they are off topic. This thread is not about my, nor anyone elses, prowess at pvp.

And on that note... Premades are ruining pvp!

PUGs have less organization / Premades have more organization
PUGs consist mostly of casual players / Premades are more likely to have more experienced players than PUGs
PUGs never use VOIP / Premades often use VOIP

Based on these simple understandings it is easy to conclude that PUGs < Premades.

Hense my new signature.... hope you like it....

Well sure you can choose, but most premades are premades because they are from one guild. Otherwise there is almost no other way how to say, if they are premade. I go to premades by asking in guild "who wants to go PvP for this level" and thats it. Whoever wants to go gets invited. Sure not all premades play like that, there is for sure PvP guilds which take only skilled players. But in my experience the best learning is not from being in team with better players, but being against them. Best is of course to combine those two.

Thats why I think there should be a PvP tutorials (or at least links to forum guides or another website guides) for this game so we all could learn.

About the fact that you get better in premade team - in my opinion with good players in your team you can learn only if they teach you something, you need to ask or they need to see you are doing it wrong and point it out how to do it better. That usualy doesn't happen if you play against worse enemy, because you win anyway which means your mistakes are easily overlooked. But if you play against better players your mistakes are there seen by everyone. I try to give advices in ops chat while I pvp, when I die or when I defend and no enemy is there. If more people would do that and others would listen! (yes, thats the key part,, try to listen to those who you believe are better players than you - I mean that in general) it might get better in time since most people don't want to read any guides.

We in our guild sometimes premade a lot, like I said, whoever wants to go goes in the group. Yet we sometimes lose a lot of games in a row against PUGs and sometime win - it depends on other players in our team and on the fact how skilled is our enemy. And also as you said, most premades choose poorly. Reason probably is same as in my guild, they take friends or people who just say "I'd like to go". Therefore there is no advantage over a pug. Only two things matter, skill and ability to teamplay. And you don't lose any of those abilities while being in premade or pug. I can teamplay better with totally random people than my guildmates sometimes.

P.S. I hope I reacted on your post as much as I could, If not let me know my mind sometimes has a habit of jumping from one thing to another - its inherited.

Extreme example warning shield your eyes if you don't want to read....

So if (insert extreme example of you being victimized) happens; you should blame yourself?

And that is the way it is, until it isn't... thus we have this thread.