Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

This argument is going around in circles. Go back a few pages and see the rebuttals given to that already. Bring new arguments, or justify old ones. Don't reintroduce old ones as if they are new.

Not saying pugs have a higher moral ground. I am saying that they need protecting from those that seek to take advantage of their lack of organization.
Just because your analogy omitted pugs doesn't mean that the analogy doesn't affect pugs. If a newly formed football team doesn't play Man U right away they play another organized team. But seeing as there is not an unranked queue just for premades, premades take it upon themselves to pugstomp and justify it because they say ranked is too hard. This line of reasoning is hypocritical at best; and, (more likely) bullying in actuality.

So again I call for 8v8 ranked to be reimplimented and group queues removed from normal WZ. This is the only way to do it without creating a third queue just for the premades that are too scared to go to ranked.

oooh just noticed... this is page 666

With all the whining, you'd think solo ranked would be popping left and right

So, you are out to protect the little guy. But what about when the little guy has a friend... or two... or three? Then he's SOL?

But how is being in a premade an auto-win? No one has ever even tried to explain that logic. There's nothing that casual premades do that casual PuGs can't replicate. Their primary source of comms is chat (just like PuGs). They're game mechanics are restricted to what SWTOR allows them (just like PuGs). Tell me one thing a casual premade can do that casual PuGs can't.


Can Bioware lock this thread here? At the special number? It's not like we don't have a million others going anyway

If I weren't obligated to sit in my office when there are no classes to teach I might very well be there.

But hey, thanks for helping to keep the thread alive with your insightful piece of literary genius.

Merry Christmas!

This is the biggest thread ever created on any MMO forums. It will go to Guniess Book of record as the biggest post ever. At the same time BW and SWTOR will get the bad publicity for not listening to thier players. Very good job!

You say this not me.


Organize.... I've said this several times (if you took the time to read) Order > Chaos.
I do not mean that Chaos (PUGS) won't win occasionally, but I do mean Order (premades) will win more often




How typical.
This is the largest (and by default, most influential) thread and you want it locked..... I wonder why?

They won't respond simply because most of this thread is full of baseless accusations Against people playing the game as it was intend to be played . And bioware commenting would end up potentially alienating 2 groups of the player bases If bioware came out and said pugs join a group or suffer they piss people off same if they come out and said premades begone! They will piss players off they can't win on this so silence is the best option and like I have said before if you choose to solo you are going to get a below average game Experience on most occasions because the game is based on group play.

This thread already had to get restarted from so many posts. You are wrong in this instance as well. Kudos.