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World Bosses and server firsts

Xunekaath's Avatar

12.20.2011 , 08:32 AM | #31
Look it's all very simple...

It is not in the game, and that's that.

Xunekaath - Sith Lord - 2011 and beyond!
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Sykomyke's Avatar

12.20.2011 , 09:19 AM | #32
As others have said, the game isn't marketed towards server first types. This isn't WoW. You don't get an achievment for doing every little thing. I know it must be so hard for most of you WoW players to come over here and not have that little soundbyte and the explosion of fireworks on your screen and that little gold icon come up saying "You have earned <insert inane object here> achievement".

For those of you who spacebar'd your way to 25 just to get the first kill on some world boss. I hope you enjoyed rushing forward, not enjoying your story. Also, a few quests I got bored and spacebar'd my way through them, and they changed the course of the quest drastically. (For example on Dromund Kaas, there's a quest line where if you dont answer the questions correctly, the guy goes and makes you kill mobs as penance. If you answer the questions correctly, you save time, but in order to answer them correctly you have to pay attention to the dialogue)

I honestly am so glad Bioware did not put a similar system that WoW did in their game to reward achievments. I'm also glad Bioware has no server forums as well. They both foster nothing more then arguments and e-peen stroking.

TLDR: Noone cares about your server firsts. I promise you, it is not a "mark of quality" for your guild; it's a mark of pretentiousness.
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Tremk's Avatar

12.20.2011 , 09:41 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Unaki View Post
Sadly, even mentioning server firsts brings out the people who think that being competitive in any shape or form is a bad thing.
You can enjoy being first to down anything, but its already been done in beta so basically no one playing now will get "first" anything. Lastly, no one cares about you or knows you on the server except the people in your raid or guild. Me knowing you did something is unwanted spam.

This is a wonderful thinking process of entitlement that was given life in WoW and will die there along with arenas.You can be competitive all you want, dont need my screen spammed with your game accomplishments though.

Testosticore's Avatar

12.20.2011 , 10:22 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by CKNairb View Post
i know they like the competition, and its up to them if they do.

but keep it internal. the NFL doesnt require every human to play or watch the game. everybody in a country isnt required to be part of the olympics.

i have no problem if people want to compete, if they want to feel special cause they can move a mouse and tap keys faster then somebody else so be it.

i got a problem when people's start gloating over soembody else, which is the sole reason for a server broadcast of Server/World/Class firsts.
Analogy does not compute.

There are rewards for being NFL champions and Olympic gold medalists. People who don't care don't pay attention and people who care either attempt to be the achievers or follow (in the "watch closely" sense of the word) those who do, even paying for the privilege to do so (purchasing tickets).

Allowing people who want to compete the opportunity to do so hurts you not in the least, and would still allow those who purchased the game for the story experience to enjoy it as just that, without ever being forced to interact with those who wish to compete. I disagree with you, and BioWare, on this point.

By forcing people into following the story without the promise of competition, Bioware is losing (an albeit very low amount) of potential customers. That's their choice, however, and it's still a great game.

Also, there is absolutely no way to internalize "firsts" in servers without some sort of system-wide tracking built into the game. Anyone can verbalize they did it first without proof.

dcarterwww's Avatar

12.20.2011 , 10:40 AM | #35
A lot of people like to refer to the ‘old mmo’ days for whichever mmo you played. I don’t think you need a server-wide message per say to announce server firsts, but we got forums so just make a thread listing the bosses (end game only no one cares about some level 32 heroic boss you killed…end game stuff only or ****) try listing them in order of difficulty and as bosses get killed post in the thread mob dead, put your guild name and as long as someone can maintain it, it will show who has done what first and when.

I know I’d always be looking at the thread seeing who has killed what and keep up with rival guilds etc etc and both republic and sith can compete on who kills what faster. I remember EQ2flames having very successful progression threads and was highly competitive.

Noraakci's Avatar

12.20.2011 , 10:42 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Strauser View Post
What business of yours is it if somebody skips through quests. You cant dictate how people play and neither can Bioware. I'm not ashamed to say that I skip through a few quests here and there but how does that affect how you play? And a LFG tool would be useful because its a tool. You dont have to use it but its there.
If people want to do so that is their issue, I was saying that Bioware doesn't want people to do this. They have no power to stop people from doing this, but they frown upon it. Skipping one or two speeches isn't a bad thing I mostly refer to people who skip through all the cut scenes just to hit cap first. And if there is a LFG tool you would have to use said tool there is no way around that. If you go around asking for a group while a LFG tool is available you will be made fun of by others. The LFG tool, any many others agree with this, ruins the game for people. Right now I don't want to see a LFG tool or ability for mods but that may change in the future.

Strauser's Avatar

12.20.2011 , 10:44 AM | #37
Off-topic but the last post got me thinking, are there ever going to be specific server forums? the way they have it now is pathetic and unorganized.
Must be a Weasley.

zaneosak's Avatar

12.20.2011 , 01:31 PM | #38
Some people enjoy competing for server, region, and world firsts in MMO end game raiding. The low level world bosses I agree nobody cares about. But I dont see how hardcore raiders spending hours a night trying to compete with other guilds doesnt warrant a server first achievement. I dont see the issue with that except it makes the more casual players "angry" for whatever reason.

Keidelar's Avatar

12.23.2011 , 10:37 PM | #39
I dunno if it was a server first, and I don't care, but I am insulted by all the people who say that killing an early game world boss isn't impressive because any old group of high levels can do it lol. So I'm just here to say that on my main server, Zakkeg Beast, on my Sith Marauder, I managed to get a 16 player pug together (lvls 14 up to 2 lvl 17s, mostly 16s) and we took down "The First" after 3 tries. Dunno about you guys, but I think that's cool and I think that giving lower level players a chance to work together in such large groups to take down difficult bosses is cool. World first or no, doing so with characters of the boss's level is a great way to foster a sense of unity and achievement that, 2 or more years from now, you can look back to it and feel a little bit of pride, even when you were only lvl 16.