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"Only the Sith deal in absolutes"

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Gozinya
12.23.2011 , 03:13 PM | #1
"Only the Sith deal in absolutes" - Obi Wan

This has got to be one of the most broken statements... not only is it an absolute statement in and of itself but also Yoda says to Luke in return of the jedi "Do or do not, there is no try".

I'm sure there are tons more, but those are two off the top of my head.
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KahnyaGnorc
12.23.2011 , 04:19 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Gozinya View Post
"Only the Sith deal in absolutes" - Obi Wan

This has got to be one of the most broken statements... not only is it an absolute statement in and of itself but also Yoda says to Luke in return of the jedi "Do or do not, there is no try".

I'm sure there are tons more, but those are two off the top of my head.
The whole Jedi code is full of absolutes. Every line is "There is no," which is an absolute.

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Wolfninjajedi
12.23.2011 , 05:11 PM | #3
Ok excuse me for stupidity but what is everyone's beef with that line?
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VoxTheHero
12.23.2011 , 05:17 PM | #4
Yet another person who takes the Jedi Code at face value... People really need to learn to read between the lines.
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JacenHallis
12.23.2011 , 06:41 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by VoxTheHero View Post
Yet another person who takes the Jedi Code at face value... People really need to learn to read between the lines.
Can't help that the Jedi Code that is in vogue at the time of TOR is a stupid interpretation. And I can't even lay the blame for that at the feet of Odan-Urr, because I don't think he meant it to be as absolute and concrete as it is written.

The original code that was drafted on Tython and used before the Great War was much better:

Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force.

It acknowledges the existence of five universal truths, and it then strives to overcome them. The current interpretation of Odan-Urr's text, whether it was the intention or not, denies the very existence of those universal truths.

It is said that the wise man knows nothing, but always strives to learn more, and this is even affirmed in a quest in game, as I recall. Yet, the Jedi Code denies the existence of Ignorance, which is merely the lack of knowledge. Everyone is ignorant.

Now, look at how Jedi in the movies and in the time period of the KOTOR games look at the Jedi Code, and then look at me with a straight face, and tell me that they're not strictly interpreting the code. You can't do it, because that's exactly what is happening. Jedi are emotionally stunted individuals, and that was never more true than with Anakin Skywalker, who never learned to deal with emotion in healthy ways; he learned only to suppress them. And those emotions boiled over and caused his downfall. He chose the path, but the Jedi never gave him the tools to find another path himself.
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-kobie-
12.23.2011 , 06:54 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Ok excuse me for stupidity but what is everyone's beef with that line?
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" IS an absolute.
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Zierk
12.23.2011 , 07:22 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by KahnyaGnorc View Post
The whole Jedi code is full of absolutes. Every line is "There is no," which is an absolute.
That's kinda funny. I never thought of it like that before. Nice info =D +1
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Wolfninjajedi
12.23.2011 , 07:53 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by -kobie- View Post
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" IS an absolute.
I'm still not following..
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-kobie-
12.23.2011 , 08:15 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
I'm still not following..
...

seriously?

OK, Obi-Wan Kenobi says "Only a Sith deals in absolutes," a statement which is an absolute. Hence, Obi-Wan Kenobi is either being highly contradictory or highly hypocritical. Or, the third and most likely option, George Lucas doesn't have a clue how to write dialogue.
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JacenHallis
12.23.2011 , 08:50 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
I'm still not following..
"Follow me!" "Follow me!" That's good! That's good, eh? A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat!
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