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Analysis: Sneek Peek.

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WLpride
12.23.2011 , 07:42 PM | #1
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A lot of people have been asking for more information on our future plans. What are we going to provide for players in terms of features and content? While we’ve given some information on what features we’re working on, we haven’t given much detail about content. We’ve said that we’ll be providing new Flashpoints, Operations and Warzones. Now we’d like to give some more details on what they are.

Next month we're going to be releasing a new Flashpoint and an expanded Operation. The new Flashpoint involves a plague that could have significant repercussions across the galaxy. It takes place on a brand new world and involves some pretty epic battles. I can’t go into much detail, but be prepared for something different. The expanded Operation takes the existing Karagga’s palace scenario and more than triples it in size. It includes three new boss monsters and some pretty epic set pieces. You won’t believe the last boss, so we’ve provided an image as a tease.

We plan to continue releasing Flashpoints, Operations, Warzones and new game systems on a regular cadence. This patch coming early next year is only a taste of what is to come. Stay tuned for more announcements!
From what I feel so far about the game and the immediacy of the direction that I see so far is a road to failure in 1 year. At the very minimum you can expect most PvP servers to be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced in player quantity and length of game time spent playing, meaning no long-term PvP vested interests. That's great, it sounds like were gonna see some more great filler content as expansions. That will really bring in the subs, I mean the minority solo rpg'er.

More flashpoints are you guys serious? I'm sorry but I see that cyborg-spider-thing (which looks pretty much the same but differnt color and slightly different that the Coruscant mini World Bass. That could be very cool if it was like a scripted NPC or something like PvP related but do we really need to keep up the routine with Flashpoints? In my opinion Flashpoints aren't worth my time except to 'watch' one or too times and that is really it. I would have absolutely no interest what-so-ever in replaying that kind of content more than once or twice.

Perhaps you guys need to see what happens in terms of realistic feedback from your players. Perhaps you need to listen to the threads demanding Planet PvP. Perhaps you need to listen to the players demanding more living and breathing Planets with more interactable and larger social areas. Perhaps not, who knows, we will see what the real population majority wants. We will see if that really matters to the maker of Bioware-EA MMORRG.

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Orvish
12.23.2011 , 07:43 PM | #2
That boss is from an Operation.
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Pinia
12.23.2011 , 07:49 PM | #3
Ill just copy here my post from Sneek Peek thread:


"I dont think that new Instance and Raid is this that SWTOR needs in first big update.

Im was very happy that daspite this that i find this game HEAVILY based on WoW i found it also COMPLETELY different in gameplay style that WoW.

Sad thing that Bioware will follow very bad game expanding path... new instance after new instance (and raiding stuff) plus one cap increase addon per 2 years.

BORING.


Srsly guys... basides this that YOU CANT BEAT WOW BY SERVING MORE WOW you dont have other ideas?
Im really eager to see more storytelling, more planets, more fluff stuff, legacy system, REAL SPACE COMBAT not minigame, less linear quest paths, expanded player housing, expanded crafting (especially missions - they are boring lolz) NOT NEW FLASHPOINT (exciting! 1H OF GAMEPLAY THEN BORING FARM STATUS) and "oh look i have this Tier 678 Shoulders from generic raid boss XXX".

Just stick to things that makes this gme UNIQUE and FUN not generic instanced content that i play in RIFT, WOW, etc... and endless gear hunt.

Im not prophet but i think if you (bioware) will stick with adding flashpoints and vertical (tiered) content that will be abandoned right after next patch this game will fail like many before that follow this path (besides WoW ofc) and you pretty an handcrafted world will be ghost town as soon as players hit 50 and stic to "new flashpoint".

Bottom line.... new Flashpoint? Dissapointing and honestly (and sadly) predictable.

Thx."


Add heavy instancing, almost no World PvP bacause of these instancing and i clearly see another WOW copycat failure.
It will be just like RIFT - great Themepark MMORPG with cool new features completely wasted by focusing on tiered content upgrades that nobody cares after 1 week with endless gear hunt, fucusing on hardcore endgame raid-farmers minority, community destroying features like crossrealms LFG and poor technical execution (INSTANCING).

Dont go that way Bioware - as i say... you cant beat WoW by being like WoW.

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Anthonytats
12.23.2011 , 07:57 PM | #4
Yes because 4 days into a new game just released and they are in the position to release "Massive updates" like World PvP and Space Combat PvP.

The bottom line is this, if they had big updates already they would have released it with the game on the 20th.

How about this.
Everyone complains that there are certain things "Not complete" with this game, Nodes, UI Interfaces etc etc. (Im not disagreeing, ive encountered them too but its nothing game breaking)
So why are you trying to make them "Rush out" with massive updates?
Surely getting a flashpoint/extended op/new Warzone every month up to say... the 6th month when they have a massive patch and release a BIG update is better than absolutely no content until the 6th month when they release loads and loads of stuff.

The simple thing is this, this is an online game, its not a SP where its easy to fix the stuff thats broken, a rolling MMO has a lot more difficulties.
Have you seen WoWs weekly updates? Fixing like 100 bugs a week?

From what ive seen on here so far, im updating every day because BW are fixing key bugs (The taris bug sorted yesterday) and on tuesdays (Their patch day) they are fixing all the rest of the bugs that arent "Game breaking".

How about you relax, get on with the game and worry about new additional content when it is released. And how about this, you sample the games current content first before worrying about new stuff?
Even in 10 days you honestly cant say you have done EVERYTHING this game has to offer? Have you got 16 50s? Have you picked up all the Datacrons? Have you completed every single Operation in the game? Valour 60?

No i didnt think so.
Give them time and they will deliver. This isnt Blizzard or Jagex we're talking about (Customer service has always been shocking). This is Bioware and Star wars Nerds from Lucas arts coming together to create this game. They arent in it for their paychecks. They are more passionate than most Game Devs.

I have faith in them and so should you. They havent done anything as of yet to show otherwise IMO.


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Ill just copy here my post from Sneek Peek thread:


[I]"I dont think that new Instance and Raid is this that SWTOR needs in first big update.
I wouldnt consider a new Operation and Flashpoint their first "Big Update".
Its a extra content patch. Nothing more.
Hell, im gonna go out on a limb here and say i consider WoWs "Big updates" to be BC, WOTLK and Cata?

I'd be quite eager to know if BW and Lucasarts will branch into Expansions for this game.

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WLpride
12.23.2011 , 08:06 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Anthonytats View Post
Everyone complains that there are certain things "Not complete" with this game, Nodes, UI Interfaces etc etc. (Im not disagreeing, ive encountered them too but its nothing game breaking)
So why are you trying to make them "Rush out" with massive updates?
Surely getting a flashpoint/extended op/new Warzone every month up to say... the 6th month when they have a massive patch and release a BIG update is better than absolutely no content until the 6th month when they release loads and loads of stuff.
Nice try, but that's not what I'm saying. I don't want them to rush anything, other than basic necessity type stuff. I WANT them to take the time, especially since the release is out and after things are running more smoothly.

The most important thing I notice is simply the direction that they are thinking for the game. Yes it's their game, they should know best, but that is not always the case. It is always too late by time these things are noticed in time. That is why we want to see the Bioware directors have a very smart vision for success as a MMORPG in this days market. I'm not saying that they can't or won't find success because I'm only making a educated prediction here. At launch it's pretty clear that PvP and Mega-Social institutions are not priority, and that accounts for a very big chunk of people subscriped right now.

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Anthonytats
12.23.2011 , 08:19 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by WLpride View Post
Nice try, but that's not what I'm saying. I don't want them to rush anything, other than basic necessity type stuff. I WANT them to take the time, especially since the release is out and after things are running more smoothly.

The most important thing I notice is simply the direction that they are thinking for the game. Yes it's their game, they should know best, but that is not always the case. It is always too late by time these things are noticed in time. That is why we want to see the Bioware directors have a very smart vision for success as a MMORPG in this days market. I'm not saying that they can't or won't find success because I'm only making a educated prediction here. At launch it's pretty clear that PvP and Mega-Social institutions are not priority, and that accounts for a very big chunk of people subscriped right now.
Last sentence... Oh god another "I SPEAK FOR THE MAJORITY SHUT UP ALREADY" post.

Really?
You think that solid world PvP is a "NECESSITY".
Its not. By ANY MEANS.

Its actually an Add on. Im not going to say what others think because i honestly dont know. For me though, i would rather have the CURRENT game being polished off, all the bugs ironed out and just have the experience a bit more smoother.
That for me is a Necessity.

No PvP isnt a priority. They already said that. They are more concerned with having the game running properly for the next couple of weeks.

And im sorry... You dont want them to rush out with PvP updates?
You then post a thread commenting on EXACTLY that. That instead of them bringing out big updates for PvP straight away in the first patch they are bringing out a little extra content for PvE. OH DEAR GOD WHAT WILL WE EVER DO.


Quote: Originally Posted by WLpride View Post
Perhaps you guys need to see what happens in terms of realistic feedback from your players. Perhaps you need to listen to the threads demanding Planet PvP. Perhaps you need to listen to the players demanding more living and breathing Planets with more interactable and larger social areas. Perhaps not, who knows, we will see what the real population majority wants. We will see if that really matters to the maker of Bioware-EA MMORRG.
For the love of god, show me this "Majority" of people SCREAMING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD for World PvP? Im fair, so i will accept 500000 posts (All from different people) which is just under half of the "Majority".
There isnt a "Majority" SCREAMING for PvP worlds.
There is a MINORITY of Level 50s who have skipped every piece of content to max level and are now CRYING because they are "Amazing" PvPers in WoW, CS:S etc etc who NEED To prove their E-Pen or they will literally curl up and cry themselves to sleep.

Seriously, PvP does NOT come above any kind of bug fixes.
If you want a severly bugged PvP with new PvP content every stupid week then go back to WoW.

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12.23.2011 , 08:22 PM | #7 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Quote: Originally Posted by WLpride View Post
I'm sorry but I see that cyborg-spider-thing (which looks pretty much the same but differnt color and slightly different that the Coruscant mini World Bass.
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Absolvus
12.23.2011 , 08:35 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by WLpride View Post
The most important thing I notice is simply the direction that they are thinking for the game. Yes it's their game, they should know best, but that is not always the case.
Yes, their direction is clear due they posting sneak peek about flashpoint and expanded raid. That's all they going to do now on since we can deduce that from the massive amount of data we have.
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WLpride
12.23.2011 , 08:38 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Anthonytats View Post
Last sentence... Oh god another "I SPEAK FOR THE MAJORITY SHUT UP ALREADY" post.

Really?
You think that solid world PvP is a "NECESSITY".
Its not. By ANY MEANS.

Its actually an Add on. Im not going to say what others think because i honestly dont know. For me though, i would rather have the CURRENT game being polished off, all the bugs ironed out and just have the experience a bit more smoother.
That for me is a Necessity.

No PvP isnt a priority. They already said that. They are more concerned with having the game running properly for the next couple of weeks.

And im sorry... You dont want them to rush out with PvP updates?
You then post a thread commenting on EXACTLY that. That instead of them bringing out big updates for PvP straight away in the first patch they are bringing out a little extra content for PvE. OH DEAR GOD WHAT WILL WE EVER DO.




For the love of god, show me this "Majority" of people SCREAMING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD for World PvP? Im fair, so i will accept 500000 posts (All from different people) which is just under half of the "Majority".
There isnt a "Majority" SCREAMING for PvP worlds.
There is a MINORITY of Level 50s who have skipped every piece of content to max level and are now CRYING because they are "Amazing" PvPers in WoW, CS:S etc etc who NEED To prove their E-Pen or they will literally curl up and cry themselves to sleep.

Seriously, PvP does NOT come above any kind of bug fixes.
If you want a severly bugged PvP with new PvP content every stupid week then go back to WoW.
I'm sorry that PvP only servers are roughly half of all servers. So please ****. Do you think WE would be happy with swtor with only 500,000 subscriptions? What do you think subscriptions are good for or do you want another 50,000 MMO in a year from now?

Get your head around what MMO means Ok in this day and age, and pls ffs don't compare it to any other games. Many games can bring players once but not many can hold them.

You right though, thanks I'll try to rephrase my point about PvP being taken seriously and not rushed.

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WLpride
12.23.2011 , 08:48 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Absolvus View Post
Yes, their direction is clear due they posting sneak peek about flashpoint and expanded raid. That's all they going to do now on since we can deduce that from the massive amount of data we have.
It's simply the law of averages bro. PvP and Social was rushed and it shows. Next we get PvE still as the priority. I'm seeing a pattern already.