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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Ratajack
11.21.2013 , 03:32 PM | #3911
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I don't necessarily disagree with your point entirely, but I would point out that they devs do not pay for the game...the players do.

How the players view the game is vastly more important than how the devs view the game...case in point...the games original state at launch and the stampede that followed. The devs were stuck on their vision, and players were stuck on "out the exit".

That is why I say dev definitions, desires, design intents and the like mean next to nothing. The player defines the game, not the dev.
The player can influence the dev, but ultimately it the the DEV who defines the game. The player then has the choice to remain and play the game as defined by the DEV, or they can choose to spend their time in other pursuits.

The devs have changed their vision to an extent, but some things have remained unchanged, thankfully. One of those is AC changes not being allowed. The devs silence on this matter leads me to believe that will not change in the foreseeable future.

This leaves those desiring to change their AC (class) with the choice to remain and continue to play the game without the option to change their AC, or to spend their time in other pursuits. It would seem that most have chosen to continue playing. Is this due to an ambiguous quote that AC swaps would "likely happen EVENTUALLY"? Possibly.

Would it cost them subscribers if they came out and said that AC swaps are coming and gave a date? I think this definitely would cost them subscribers. Would it cost them subscribers if they came out and stated that the AC's ARE classes and AC swaps will NOT happen? I think this would cost them subscribers also.

Silence seems to be the best option for their bottom line, at the moment.

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branmakmuffin
11.21.2013 , 03:34 PM | #3912
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
The devs have changed their vision to an extent, but some things have remained unchanged, thankfully. One of those is AC changes not being allowed. The devs silence on this matter leads me to believe that will not change in the foreseeable future.
Wow, you're reading between lines which are not even there.

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Ratajack
11.21.2013 , 03:39 PM | #3913
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Wow, you're reading between lines which are not even there.
That may be, but once again:

Let's look at the TOTAL picture.

The devs have stated several times that AC's are fundamentally DIFFERENT class designs, and that they (the devs) see them as DIFFERENT classes. Most MMO's do NOT allow class changes.

The devs stated that they were considering allowing AC changing and allowing species changes and that these would "likely happen eventually". There was NO time frame given for the implementation of either one, nor did this quote say that either one WOULD happen.

Since this quote regarding AC changes "likely" happening at some undetermined point in the future, there has been NOTHING further from the devs on allowing class changes. The devs have not said one word, have not uttered even a hint of a whisper, or even popped into this almost 400 page thread to let us know that they are still considering it. They have also not said they are no longer considering it, either.

We have seen the implementation of species changes, which is PURELY cosmetic and does not affect fundamental game or class mechanics. We still have not seen or heard anything further about class changes.


How would you explain the fact that class changes are still not allowed, even though the cosmetic species changes which were mentioned in the same quote have come to pass? How would you explain the complete and total silence from the devs on this hot topic?





Given all the evidence I've seen, from the lack of reversal of their stance that AC's are different classes to the lack of anything further from the devs regarding class changes, I'm thinking that the "final" call may have been made and not in favor of those desiring to change their class.

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branmakmuffin
11.21.2013 , 03:41 PM | #3914
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
That may be, but once again:

Let's look at the TOTAL picture.

The devs have stated several times that AC's are fundamentally DIFFERENT class designs, and that they (the devs) see them as DIFFERENT classes. Most MMO's do NOT allow class changes.
You keep saying that same thing over and over and over.

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Ratajack
11.21.2013 , 03:46 PM | #3915
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You keep saying that same thing over and over and over.
Are you going to once again ignore the rest of that post and the questions posed therein?

Are you once again going to put blinders over your eyes because you do not like the "total picture"? Are you going to pretend the 'total picture" does not exist and continue to find little bits of the picture that you want to pretend that you can dispute?

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TUXs
11.21.2013 , 03:50 PM | #3916
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Are you going to once again ignore the rest of that post and the questions posed therein?

Are you once again going to put blinders over your eyes because you do not like the "total picture"? Are you going to pretend the 'total picture" does not exist and continue to find little bits of the picture that you want to pretend that you can dispute?
Ironic considering all the proof YOU ignore, like this page which clearly defines the 8 classes in-game.
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branmakmuffin
11.21.2013 , 03:54 PM | #3917
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Are you going to once again ignore the rest of that post and the questions posed therein?
You just repeat the same specious nonsense over and over and over. It's been refuted many times in this thread.

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Ratajack
11.21.2013 , 03:57 PM | #3918
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Ironic considering all the proof YOU ignore, like this page which clearly defines the 8 classes in-game.
I've not ignored that page. In fact, I pointed out that if you click on any of the "classes" or story lines on that page, you get to see what AC's (classes) are available, what roles those AC's (classes) can fill, and even see the names of the skill trees (specs) as well as a few of the abilities in each tree. Although not as clear as I would like, this is still much clearer than the original holonet page as to the AC's being classes in themselves.

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branmakmuffin
11.21.2013 , 04:00 PM | #3919
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I've not ignored that page. In fact, I pointed out that if you click on any of the "classes" or story lines on that page, you get to see what AC's (classes) are available, what roles those AC's (classes) can fill, and even see the names of the skill trees (specs) as well as a few of the abilities in each tree. Although not as clear as I would like, this is still much clearer than the original holonet page as to the AC's being classes in themselves.
And two of those roles are the same for both ACs, for every class. Yet more evidence that ACs are not classes.

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TUXs
11.21.2013 , 04:01 PM | #3920
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I've not ignored that page. In fact, I pointed out that if you click on any of the "classes" or story lines on that page, you get to see what AC's (classes) are available, what roles those AC's (classes) can fill, and even see the names of the skill trees (specs) as well as a few of the abilities in each tree. Although not as clear as I would like, this is still much clearer than the original holonet page as to the AC's being classes in themselves.
Oh good, so you noticed how the ACs were NOT Classes I assume?
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