So where are all these Assassins dominating the leader boards?

sin is a very hard class to play in 4s. roudy and turrican run dark maul and are very good at it and have great team support also

i ran with shinarika a lot on pts as deception with lightning/arsenal and we did very well also

there are a couple other sins i know are capable of playing deception in 4s, it's just far from ideal and requires a **** ton of outskilling your opponents and playing perfectly

i'm the highest rated 4s merc and one of the highest 4s sorcs. that's where i'm coming from. now stop complaining and get better

Quoted for truth.

So you agree deception is not as good as other dps specs then? Good to know.

I'm curious as to what you think is hard about the spec, though. Since you know, that's his entire argument.

P.S. I have a sorc.

Serious question. How many of you assassin players have other classes? and if you have other classes, list them please.

So far I've seen like 45 posts from people who think "sins are fine" and 0 actual evidence supporting that claim. Way to represent. Meanwhile there are more sorcs than sins at the top of group ranked and this guy who thinks sins are fine is talking about his sorc. LOL

Drink up that coolaid

All 8 classes.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 90% of the poster-childs for Shadows/Sins to even possess one on their character sheet.
Their friends told them Sin/Shadow were OP for whatever reason though so raise dem pitchforks up yolo-mofckahs!



How many of the heralded *TOP* players in this game can play an Assassin and produce the same results as they would on their -other- classes? Lol! Not many.

You should reread what orryko wrote as you missed the boat, by a long shot.

None of this is terribly controversial. Sins are fine in that they are in the middle of the pack in ranked. Top Sins can still get top ratings, but it's easier to get a higher rating with a AP PT, Smash mara, or operative healer. Sorcs, mercs, DPS Juggs, need buffs to be in line. Some AC's, like madness sins and conc operatives are currently worthless for ranked period. So they can either tune down the top 3 advanced classes a little bit, or buff everyone else up to the same level.

Exactlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

"it's just far from ideal" is what I saw him write, in addition to somehow also agreeing with what that other guy said, which contradicts the rest of his text

not that yet another opinion is any more relevant than the 45 opinions that came before it

To clarify, I linked a bunch of evidence showing sins (deception only, maybe tank too idk hard to tell) are basically well below operative, mara, and pt in ranked play, and exilove countered with "yeah sins are a hard class to play" meanwhile he thinks they are perfectly fine in ranked play.

My position has always been that sins are OP in regs and bad in rateds, whether or not it's because the top-tier classes are overpowered is a different issue, sins just don't perform on that top level is the point these guys aren't getting. The dps specs are squishy and easily peeled and/or focused, don't do as much damage as other dps specs, and the tank spec just won't perform on the level of jugg for full tank or PT for hybrid tank. That's just the reality and how people are arguing about this I have no idea.