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Hybrid - better than madness and lightning?

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Hybrid - better than madness and lightning?

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xBurkhalter
11.16.2013 , 05:15 AM | #1
...Or even viable?

Hey guys, I'm a longtime Madness player, but I decided to play around a bit and try out some hybrid specs. I ended up with this:

0/16/28

What I wanna know is, have anyone of you tried out a similar build, and how did it perform? Is this build viable or should I just keep going full madness?

I'm also uncertain whether I should keep my 2 points in Lightning Barrage or move them to crit chance or alacrity. What do you guys think?

I'm dependent on a lot of procs for my rotation/priority list, but it works out alright.

I think I'm getting pretty good damage, but I'd like to hear the opinion from some more experienced players!


Thank you!

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Sindariel
11.16.2013 , 06:30 AM | #2
Highest parsing hybrid spec is 2/16/27, but it's still far behind full lightning and madness for single target.
The last time I compared hybrid with madness, the difference was 200 DPS and I was in 69 gear.
It's great for questing, FPs and maybe SM operations with lots of AE and zero force issues.
However, for HM operations i recommend sticking with madness or lightning.

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xBurkhalter
11.16.2013 , 06:32 AM | #3
Thank you! I'll go back to madness then

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veyl
11.16.2013 , 01:23 PM | #4
PVP perspective and dailies -

I play 0/30/16 and it's great for group play and survivability (Well, as much as a sorc can have). Solid aoe pressure + instants galore. (death field - instant CD/boosted LS - Insant CL - Chain Shock)

Problem is it's totally RNG dependent in the burst area... but at least you're the most mobile that you'd ever be in any other spec. Full madness isn't as good until dot protection comes into play and full lightning is really dependent on good teammates who can free you up to turret.

The thing that I like most about the build though is being able to throw instant Potentially hard hitting crits at low health targets from 30 meters anywhere around me. I think the build you want to play depends more on if you're a team player or just want a 1v1 spec.

Also, having plenty of AOE to do dailies with = Awesome.

PVE perspective:
Full lightning if you're lazy and don't want to pay attention to your dot timers

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verfallen
11.16.2013 , 07:50 PM | #5
No escape from checking dots timer, lightning just refresh one instead of two.

As for DPS, hybrid will be 150 to 200 DPS under full madness and 250-300 or so under lightning by my numbers.

While the old hybrid (13/28) was potentially better than madness, the boost the upper tree received (CT buff, forked darkness buff) make the full tree better than the hybrid. Its still a nice spec in solo play, but then again I kinda grew a liking to TB/CL chain wiping a strong :P

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Devinia-Hex
11.18.2013 , 12:42 PM | #6
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...ZcMfRsbkrf0M.3

This spec would work well as far as solving force issues no need to pick up chain lightning as you wouldn't get the 50% bonus to crit.

You would get the bonus for CD though and Lightning strike to add to your Wrath procs. also the improved ticks for force lightning. On the plus side you would retain the 30% less damage while stunned however you would lose the 2 second root and have to rely on snare knockback stun.

You lose out on the electrocute damage reduction also 3% crit.
Dashara Bergen Colony Devinia Hex The Bastion

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verfallen
11.18.2013 , 01:39 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Devinia-Hex View Post
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...ZcMfRsbkrf0M.3

This spec would work well as far as solving force issues no need to pick up chain lightning as you wouldn't get the 50% bonus to crit.

You would get the bonus for CD though and Lightning strike to add to your Wrath procs. also the improved ticks for force lightning. On the plus side you would retain the 30% less damage while stunned however you would lose the 2 second root and have to rely on snare knockback stun.

You lose out on the electrocute damage reduction also 3% crit.
Imo this spec is now "you might as well go full madness" at that point. The extra survivability you get imo doesn't counterbalance enough the loss of the root on CT.

However if you do want that survivability it gives for PvP with the ez-mode force management (that thing is worthless in PvE, so I'm assuming its aimed for PvP play where you often get stun locked) you might want to move points from Subversion to Lightning Barrier. You'll never hardcast LS, so the thing is mostly pointless for non-full lightning spec, and subversion alone isn't worth 2 points. Might as well go full out for what you intend, which is lowering your damage output in exchange for survivability and force management. In this case, survivability boost by the barrier is much better than the management one on LS, especially since you already have Effusion.


For PvP I would still personnaly go, if I was to go hybrid with the standard 0/18/28, for stun on bubble break, and mobility.

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Devinia-Hex
11.18.2013 , 04:33 PM | #8
I play a 6/3/36 a hybrid spec is just to soft in warzones and little to no control. It's nice if you have a pre made group because you can go crazy with spells but if your focused you will die quickly.
Dashara Bergen Colony Devinia Hex The Bastion

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verfallen
11.19.2013 , 01:30 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Devinia-Hex View Post
I play a 6/3/36 a hybrid spec is just to soft in warzones and little to no control. It's nice if you have a pre made group because you can go crazy with spells but if your focused you will die quickly.
As said, if I was to go with an hybrid spec, so I quite agree.

I typically respec to full madness for them. Chance are I won't live long enough to run out of force anyway :P

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Loc_n_lol
11.19.2013 , 04:22 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by veyl View Post
PVP perspective and dailies -

I play 0/30/16 and it's great for group play and survivability (Well, as much as a sorc can have). Solid aoe pressure + instants galore. (death field - instant CD/boosted LS - Insant CL - Chain Shock)
I use that for dailies as well. More fun than either full spec IMO.
For ops and FPs I'm almost always healing so no comparison here