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Petition to Ban Operatives from Queuing Ranked as DPS

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Petition to Ban Operatives from Queuing Ranked as DPS

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Racter
11.15.2013 , 08:11 PM | #51
It would still be unusable. As someone that has and has had a DPS operative for a long time I support this post. Would also like to see lightning, arsenal, annihilation, merc heals, juggernauts, madness sins, and all three actual tank specs banned from solo queue. Massive waste of a spot, merc heals is pretty much an instant loss, etc. Sorcs exist in solo queue to play bait until we kill at least one other person on the other team, etc.

The class balance annoys me in team but its mostly tolerable. Solo makes me want to punch a baby

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Raansu
11.15.2013 , 09:42 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by warultima View Post
Most people in this game really have little idea about balance.
Operative dps being automatically viewed as a waste of a spot on the team, while Assassins are complaining about their Maul can "only" crits 8k and they are being buffed.
Smash newbs still run rampant.
Hybrid PT
Tankasin with super burst

Actually you cant even blame the players they are just newb and have no idea and dont give a **** about balance. It's the DEVs who made this game completely crap as it is today (and are percived as crap pvp game among mmo community).

DEVs really have no idea and probably dont play their own game.
"ohh so many complain about smash newb-monkeys" -> "Lets nerf Anni and Carnage"
"they say dps operative is really bad"->"I know right, lets buff dps assassins!, oh and buff overload shot just to troll em, and take cover away we are not allowed to have any patch with operative buffs without nerfing something too you know, company policy"
Sad but true.

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Sappharan
11.15.2013 , 11:37 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Cryowolf View Post
What burst and control do you speak of? The burst and control that lets us kill an already half dead target with no cc breaker available? Not many of those targets sitting around in 4v4. The burst and control that is tied to us getting off our opener on an unguarded and unhealed target? Again, only see that in a 4dps arena match and guess who the other team is going to hard switch to the moment you open? The only tournaments we might win would be ones that excluded shadows from competing. You said it yourself, it's not about 1v1 anyway. In full min/max Obroan the only targets I crush with any consistency are sitting on 25-26K health. But then, any geared dps would crush them anyway and most of the ACs would crush them more consistently where as we rely on a string of lucky crits to pull it off.

The upper tier of pvp in this game currently is 4v4 arena and we are gimped enough to be a hindrance to our team just for being there. 8v8, world pvp (ha), lowbies and dueling tournaments are just fluff, extra entertainment. BW pointed their top tier pvp in this new direction so now they should look at balancing ACs around this format (4v4).

I hate to say it bc it comes off as a flippant l2p comment and I am not trolling you, but try one in solo ranked or even worse, group ranked and then let us know what you think. It is not a pleasant experience.
You're absolutely right (no sarcasm). Maybe I do need to spend time on my Operative before I complain about them asking for more durability. I am not asking for a nerf, however. The real answer is buffing, not nerfing (my opinion). The only thing I would like to see changed is to electro-net--I'd just like to be able to Force Camouflage so as not to be pot-shot from range as the net anchors me or kills me as I move, futilely, toward the deadly Commando. Not entirely sure if that'd be a nerf, or just a buff for me. It's just a bit too strong, but I would be okay with it still being that deadly IF, and only if, GbtF is not nerfed.

Sidetracked a bit. Back on point.

I will develop and gear my Operative (as much as I can and have time for, my main is a Sentinel--Combat spec) and maybe I will agree with you. Even if I don't, thank you for your respectful response.

Still, I maintain that MMOs must and do consider 1v1 balance. Striking a harmony between the balance of 1v1 and group synergy is delicate at the best of times. Such a 1v1 balance is necessary, in my view, because no one wants to have no chance against one particular class. That is, no one wants to know he/she is going to lose with near certainty simply because that class is scissor to my rock. Several times already I have seen a ranked match come down to a 1v1 wherein both players had like health remaining. Between the two, I think skill should win out, not class.

Anyway, I don't want to see you not have fun. Here's to hoping that you get your wish while still allowing me to cope with the class.

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Raansu
11.16.2013 , 03:17 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Sappharan View Post
You're absolutely right (no sarcasm). Maybe I do need to spend time on my Operative before I complain about them asking for more durability. I am not asking for a nerf, however. The real answer is buffing, not nerfing (my opinion). The only thing I would like to see changed is to electro-net--I'd just like to be able to Force Camouflage so as not to be pot-shot from range as the net anchors me or kills me as I move, futilely, toward the deadly Commando. Not entirely sure if that'd be a nerf, or just a buff for me. It's just a bit too strong, but I would be okay with it still being that deadly IF, and only if, GbtF is not nerfed.

Sidetracked a bit. Back on point.

I will develop and gear my Operative (as much as I can and have time for, my main is a Sentinel--Combat spec) and maybe I will agree with you. Even if I don't, thank you for your respectful response.

Still, I maintain that MMOs must and do consider 1v1 balance. Striking a harmony between the balance of 1v1 and group synergy is delicate at the best of times. Such a 1v1 balance is necessary, in my view, because no one wants to have no chance against one particular class. That is, no one wants to know he/she is going to lose with near certainty simply because that class is scissor to my rock. Several times already I have seen a ranked match come down to a 1v1 wherein both players had like health remaining. Between the two, I think skill should win out, not class.

Anyway, I don't want to see you not have fun. Here's to hoping that you get your wish while still allowing me to cope with the class.
1.) 99% of pvp is team based, so no one really gives a damn about 1v1.

2.) Even if they did, scrapper is pure garbage at it. Their burst is inconsistent, and you have to pray your opener crits, and even then its an uphill fight if it does. Scrappers are practically the easiest class to kill and they do not have the consistency in their burst to counter balance the fact that they are extremely squishy. Also, their average crit when min/maxed is 6k. Doesn't even come close to the 8-9k crits assassins get off of both maul and discharge and that class has some decent defensive CD's.

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wollegol
11.16.2013 , 09:26 AM | #55
Iīve put my operative on the shelf, Iīve gotten a lot of grief from other players in the ranked q before the wz even start. It kind of takes the fun out of it but I can understand their complaints.

Fortunately I like to play a different variety off classes so itīs not that big of a deal for me, but I would like to play my operative in the team q and be competitive but thatīs just out of the question.

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Lucastaylor
11.16.2013 , 10:02 AM | #56
To be honest I use the operative (and sniper) as my DPS class in PvP and I tend to find I last longer than my team mates and no its not because I run away, its because I am not stupid. Operatives in my opinion do not need to be banned from PvP that's just as stupid as jumping in a sarlaac pit, I've met some stupid people on TOR PvP in my time here playing all different classes. The class is only as good as the person behind whether that be PvP or PvE.

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warultima
11.16.2013 , 10:39 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Lucastaylor View Post
To be honest I use the operative (and sniper) as my DPS class in PvP and I tend to find I last longer than my team mates and no its not because I run away, its because I am not stupid. Operatives in my opinion do not need to be banned from PvP that's just as stupid as jumping in a sarlaac pit, I've met some stupid people on TOR PvP in my time here playing all different classes. The class is only as good as the person behind whether that be PvP or PvE.
Right, sister. I am sure operative pose just as much threat as a marauder or a hybrid powertech. Ask the PvP community and they will tell you just that... oh wait...

Only reason swtor is still surviving with all their idiotic "pvp balance (or lack thereof)" is leveling in this game is very fast. "Rerolling" isnt as problematic as other games when the players unfortunately chose a wrong class. Thats why I also have a marauder in partial oberan as well as a powertech and sorc in full conqueror. I quit the game because PvP has became very unchallenging due to some of my classes that I play being too good. Yes I quit the game because I feel my toon was too good. I came back and found out that my marauder is just as good and my PT (switched from pyro to AP hybrid) is also very powerful if not as OP as Pyrotech once was, I decided to give my operative a go. And got him Min/Maxed conqueror with some oberon mix and just to find out that no matter how good you are, your player capability is limited by the class itself.

I dont have fun playing my marauder/PT because theres very little challenge in game unless I met other people playing THE SAME CLASSES as I play (not including dps operative and mercs). I dont want to be OP, it earns no respect, yet after extensively playing concealment operative after playing deception sin/mara and PT and sith sorc, I realize how stupid this game's PvP balance is. And it's not going to change anytime soon, there are simply too many stupid people constantly buying their gamble boxes that this game is still alive.

Sorry EA, you aint making my dollars tho, good thing you have plenty of blind following brain dead fainbois thats help you keeping this game running.

Keep buffing Assassins/Shadows as well as marauders/sentinels, they are so underpowered rightnow. Buff them and you can sell even more cash fluff items too. Do it... GG EA.
| Lv50 Madness Sorc | Lv50 Annihilation Marauder |
| Lv50 Pyrotech Power Tech | Lv50 Medicine Operative |
| Lv50 Sharpshooter Gunslinger | Lv 26 Darkness Assassin |

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JP_Legatus
11.16.2013 , 11:35 AM | #58
Agreed w/ this petition, as well we should ban anyone who isn't an operative healer or PT hybrid from playing rateds at all.
Plaje - 65 PVP Assassin
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Vikassi
11.16.2013 , 02:05 PM | #59
i always get grief in ranked, but i dont really care .. i play the class, its my only toon ..

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Racter
11.21.2013 , 02:18 AM | #60
How did this fall off the front page? ~25 rage tells in 40 games as concealment, I'm sure those ~100 people are pissed off that people can queue as DPS Ops! Ban them now!