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Why are their no macro's again?

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Ratajack
11.13.2013 , 12:49 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
No game that has had them has EVER had them as mandatory, EVER. Plenty of people get tops on the leader boards, tops dps meters, and overall win without them. all the time in games with macros. You can believe whatever you want, but the fact is they are ALWAYS optional.
If they are OPTIONAL and "Plenty of people get tops on the leader boards, tops dps meters, and overall win without them", then we don't need them and you can "get tops on the leader boards, tops dps meters, and overall win without them". Unless, of course, you NEED them to be competitive, in which case they would cease to be optional. .

I'm glad we were able to clear that up.

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harpuax
11.13.2013 , 12:53 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
If they are OPTIONAL and "Plenty of people get tops on the leader boards, tops dps meters, and overall win without them", then we don't need them and you can "get tops on the leader boards, tops dps meters, and overall win without them". Unless, of course, you NEED them to be competitive, in which case they would cease to be optional. .

I'm glad we were able to clear that up.
If you read my first post, you would see I said we don't need them, they are just nice to have. Kinda like your speeder, sure you can around with out it, but it is pretty nice to have. The game works fine, but that doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't ask for features we would like to make it more enjoyable.

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Infernixx
11.13.2013 , 01:00 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
If you read my first post, you would see I said we don't need them, they are just nice to have. Kinda like your speeder, sure you can around with out it, but it is pretty nice to have. The game works fine, but that doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't ask for features we would like to make it more enjoyable.
So lazy
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
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There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

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illgot
11.13.2013 , 01:00 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Njordulfr View Post
It is quite funny how Macros users defend their stance saying the game's design is bad... It is really an issue of being lazy and not wanting to press several buttons. lol.

If you use macros and most of the players prefer a honest gaming experience that requires skill then that makes you a cheater and not a true gamer.
Analogy:

Fast food worker works at McDonalds 35 hours a week making 200 dollars a week. He is a hard worker using his "skills".

Stockbroker short sells stock making 1200 in less than an hour. He is "lazy".

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NoFishing
11.13.2013 , 01:02 PM | #95
Here is a example of why macros are a bad idea, and the unfair advantage they can give to certain classes or specs.

A sharpshooter gunslinger activates trickshot every time it procs, and it procs once other abilities in the rotation complete their cast/channel. But it cannot be activated before it procs, so the ability queue is useless with it, which means I am spamming my trickshot key as quickly as possible near the end of a cast that will proc it, to ensure it fires as soon as possible. At best, I can spam that key every 100ms-120ms. With macros, I could simply code the ability with the optimized delay amount and trickshot all with one keybind. The net result would be about 5% higher damage potential of macros over not using them. That's in the range of creating a class balance issue all by itself.

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harpuax
11.13.2013 , 01:05 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
So lazy
I don't think personal attacks on ones character are really needed or helpful here.

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Infernixx
11.13.2013 , 01:07 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
I don't think personal attacks on ones character are really needed or helpful here.
I'm just pointing out how macros are just tools to make the game even easier than it already is.

If you need macros to function in this game, you're terrible at it.

If you want macros, as opposed to 'needing' them, then you're not bad, you're just lazy.

So, pick your poison.
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

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ELRunninW
11.13.2013 , 01:07 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
You can believe whatever you want, but the fact is they are ALWAYS optional.
Well, it actually works both ways. You can believe all you want but it will not make it true. You can also try to quote some fictional reports but it will not convince savvy customers.

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DarthLeeloo
11.13.2013 , 01:22 PM | #99
Most of my mmo time has been spent with games that had macro systems. It was a normal thing to do. On the same level of convenience and customization as changing settings, changing your UI, keybinding, etc. All this anti-macro talk is interesting. I haven't seen that often.

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ELRunninW
11.13.2013 , 01:37 PM | #100
Some people are dedicated to this game because it is based on Star Wars. Something hard to find in other games. This group of people hopes this game will never become another WoW. It is wishful thinking, I know.