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Why are their no macro's again?

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Nikkalos
11.13.2013 , 04:52 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
Why did you quote yourself and respond to it???
I thought the thread had passed and died out, so quote's would be pointless at that state.

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JPryde
11.13.2013 , 05:51 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Simply stating that it's against your personal play style, should not hinder other players from having it.
The very existance of macros would affect my playstyle, even if I wouldn't want to use them.

It is the same as with the invention of firearms.. Sure, you can decide to avoid them, but when you get into a gunfight, and you choose not to bring a gun, then you are doomed to loose the fight.

So if you allow macros and then go to a PvP fight, you are doomed to loose against an equally skilled player, who is using macros.

And that is the reason, why this is not a "do not want -> do not use" issue.
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Hyfy
11.13.2013 , 05:55 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Just because YOU don't feel like they are needed, doesn't mean they are not needed. I like to PvP in my games. And in PvP, to go pro, you need to TRY to be the best. Clickin {or hotkey pressing} my undying rage ability, 'then' my PvP medpac, 'then' my reusable chemist medpac, all right behind each other; When none of these are on global cooldown (correct me if im wrong), will make me miss a 1-second window where I could have pressed an attack.

With a macro.. I have all these 3 items/skills on 1 button. I press that 1 button and then continue to fight. My proper use of macro's has saved me from pushing 4 buttons in 1 global rotation, into pushing 2. Moments like those are what separates an average PvPer from a high ranking PvPer. And I like to be the best... Yay, power, yay Sith.
Moments like those are what separate a PvP player that can learn to adapt and move on from a PvP player using macros as a crutch. Your ability to make a macro does not make you a good PvP player or even a good player for that matter, it just means you know how to do some simple coding. Your logic there is akin to telling me that because you can do long division on a calculator a little faster makes you better at math than the person who can write it out and do it on his own. In your case it's a crutch not skill.
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Hyfy
11.13.2013 , 05:58 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
I do understand this isn't much of a game to "go pro" in... But I still like the PvP, and it's far from awful. But let's say I'm just doing PvP for the cool gear for roleplay. I still want to have fun in those Warzone grinds. And it's more fun to be rewarded for your efforts. I try hard, I play hard. Macro's simply let me do things in my own way. Again... It's optional.
You having arguments with yourself now?
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Hyfy
11.13.2013 , 06:01 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by illgot View Post
Macro's a great. I have multiple set up.

I have rocket boost and a mount. So what I did was macro my mount, then a .05 second delay, then my rocket boost.

This way no matter where I am all I have to do is tap one button and if my mount can not activate, my rocket boost will.

I also have one for buffing.

I have a permanent med stim and buffs. My macro allows me to use my stim, select myself, buff, reselect my last enemy. This way I always use my stim and buff at the same time without an error message because I am still targeting another player.

Oh yeah, I also have one for healing. I use my PvP Adrenal and Medpack first followed by my normal permanent med pack. That way when ever I need heals I can tap one button and in PvP heal using my PvP base medpacks and if I am in PvE I will just use my normal med pack.

You are 100% correct. Only bad players use macro's. Not players who can logically bind multiple actions so they do not interrupt each other.

His point was the OP's "need" to macro vs someone wanting too. In this game if you feel it is so hard that you NEED to macro, that you just can't get by without it, then yes that is a pretty good indication that you might not be the greatest player.
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Hyfy
11.13.2013 , 06:03 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
... and your a potato...
Wow you are seriously dense in this thread.
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blackcerberus
11.13.2013 , 06:56 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by JPryde View Post
The very existance of macros would affect my playstyle, even if I wouldn't want to use them.
following this train of thought, the very existance of gadgets like razer nagas and nostromo gamepads would affect my playstyle. and whats even worse, since they cost real money ( and they arent precisely cheap ) perhaps Im not even getting the option to use them or not.

if macros arent allowed, this gadgets should be forbidden for the very same reasons, and then some more

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JPryde
11.13.2013 , 07:09 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by blackcerberus View Post
if macros arent allowed, this gadgets should be forbidden for the very same reasons, and then some more
If those gadgets are able to activate more than one ability with one click or are able to decide by any kind of scripted logic, which ability to activate by the same click, then yes, they should be forbidden.

Other than that, pressing a single button on a razer naga is the same as pressing a single button on the keyboard. It is a keybind... moving the skill from "9" to "Mouse4" for example. But it never is "press MB5 and activate Skills 1,2,3 and 4 in order"... or "press MB5 and cast heal1 if under 20%, heal 2 otherwise".

"Single" being the keyword here. If you like to play with a gamepad and can handle all skills with that controller, good for you. I prefer my mouse and keyboard. But no matter what hardware and what gadgets you use, a single button should only activate a single effect and no matter the circumstances, the same button should always activate the same single effect.
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blackcerberus
11.13.2013 , 07:22 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by JPryde View Post
If those gadgets are able to activate more than one ability with one click or are able to decide by any kind of scripted logic, which ability to activate by the same click, then yes, they should be forbidden.

Other than that, pressing a single button on a razer naga is the same as pressing a single button on the keyboard. It is a keybind... moving the skill from "9" to "Mouse4" for example. But it never is "press MB5 and activate Skills 1,2,3 and 4 in order"... or "press MB5 and cast heal1 if under 20%, heal 2 otherwise".

"Single" being the keyword here. If you like to play with a gamepad and can handle all skills with that controller, good for you. I prefer my mouse and keyboard. But no matter what hardware and what gadgets you use, a single button should only activate a single effect and no matter the circumstances, the same button should always activate the same single effect.
sorry but you seem to be in direct contradiction with the devs here
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...60#edit6459160

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Sequence clicking
If you have a system set up so that if you hit the same key 4 times likes so: '1, 1, 1, 1' and instead of just firing off whatever 1 is bound to it fires off '1, 2, 3, 4', then as long as you keep it to 'one key == one other key hit' its in that grey area of not true automation.
I just dont understand why they allow something but then dont give the proper tools to use it ingame, knowing that people with expensive gadgets can get that functionality (by paying real life money to get it )

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ajmhornet
11.13.2013 , 07:26 AM | #50
If a macro is a user program to carry out in-game actions, the logical extension is an auto-play button. Log in, click auto play and let your macro play the game for you.

For me, the whole debate about macros and add-ons is about the use of technology to circumvent lack of ability, or just plain laziness. if you need to use a secondary program to play, why bother playing at all? ( see autoplay button above).