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Why are their no macro's again?

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Mowermanx
11.13.2013 , 03:09 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
The funny thing is that in the dev quote posted here in this thread, they said there will be some but no eta.

You really never know with these kinds of things. There's a lot of things game developers gave flat no's to that ended up happening anyway.
Look at the date of those quotes, before the big staff purges.
And it goes both ways, things they had planned and said yes to, could well never see the light of day.
I highly doubt we will ever see this feature.

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Fazaani
11.13.2013 , 03:09 AM | #32
Don't want macros... (regadles if they really are or not) I feel macros are a form of cheating in the sense "what gaming is about"

Macros are desinged to do smth for you that you should remember to do or you should manage implement in to your rotation variations. So it's all about routine and (in lack of a better word) skill

I feel that macros are for the ppl that think "i know how it's done so i dont need to do it" And others may think that it's like automation in factories. Why dont we just make 2 button dps game then... like one is for pvp burst dmg and other is for pve dot

And as a personal note i should mention that i suck at pvp and macros would ease my pvp a lot!

(now i also should prolly say smth like "this is a real world and a real job! and things aint easy! and they should not be! but lets leave that for others )
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11.13.2013 , 03:23 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by JPryde View Post
This reminds me of a famous signature of a forum member of this board:
"I don't know, why anyone can be against an Aimbot. They are entirely optional!"

You are clearly describing a combat advantage from using macros, so how could that be optional then? It would be "use it or die!", which I do not consider optional. It would be the same kind of optional as wearing your armor, when attempting a HM-run on any OP.... sure you can attempt AsaHM without a weapon, but it is not really an option.

Personally I prefer PvP to be decided by the skill a player shows in the match, not by the skill some other player has shown in providing the "must have" "one klick to win" macro.
Macro's used correctly are simply to ease player's who like to use multiple things at the same time, that other players smash really quickly back to back. Rotation macro's indeed are a "one-click" strategy. But if your winning by rotation, and not winning by using skills in situation, that's a dev's problem. I don't want macro's for rotation, I think those are for extremely unskilled players. I want macro's for things that need to be pointlessly spammed. Skills that are not on the global cooldown, but CONSTANTLY pressed with skills that are on global cooldown. Such as, cloak of pain, and dark ward. Perhaps, these skills should have been brought up, instead of macro's. But with macro's these problems wouldn't exist in the first place.

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JPryde
11.13.2013 , 03:30 AM | #34
And it simply is part of being a skilled player to really activate these "must haves" every single time. If you forget to do so, your damage will drop significantly or your damage taken will skyrocket or your healing output will be much lower than it could be.
You need to take care of your synergies yourself, especially with the "semi-passives".

Sure, I would like the shadow-shield ability to auto-activate whenever possible... if I forget it as a tank, I will take a lot more damage than necessary... but that is part of the deal, it is MY job to activate that skill and it is part of being a skilled player to never forget it, no matter how hectic the fight will be.
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11.13.2013 , 03:51 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
there*.... Why are there* no macro's again?

... grammar trolls... fml
Well good thing that's acknowledged

Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Sorry... I don't understand... Macro's don't give you an advantage, their fair, they fix problems the game developers put in combat.
actually it's they're

The're as in "They are" hence the RE following the '

Not trying to be a grammar troll or nazi, but having proper grammar when making an intelligent request or argument helps people support your argument more. I almost skipped this thread entirely due to the spelling. My two cents, I might be abnormal so you can take my criticism with a grain of salt.
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But on your topic. I do support the incorporation of Macros into the game. It certainly would help out users with less-than-average PC specs as well. Many people suffer from intense lag in warzones and having macros to run their heal cycles or dps cycles when encountering enemies could be helpful to their situation.

Although in my opinion a macro will never bring somebodies performance to expert level. A real expert never utilizes macros during a pvp or pve setting, the situation is always changing and different arrangement of skill times is necessary to adapt to the situations. So there should be nothing to worry about with macros giving an unfair edge to unskilled players.

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dazednconfuzed
11.13.2013 , 04:13 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
And in PvP, to go pro, you need to TRY to be the best.
Yes, and being able to press one button really makes you pro...

Macros are unnecessary and are open to abuse. I knew one guy who played WoW who thought he was a 'pro' because he had a decent DPS. He knew nothing about the class, he had just read up somewhere that if he macro'ed something a particular way, it would work. So, he set up this macro, and then claimed he played the class well.

Sorry, but that isn't what is meant by 'playing a class well'.
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Fazaani
11.13.2013 , 04:34 AM | #37
Not having an effect is a lie. Ofc it has an effect "droning" the players that could othervise learn to be better and supressing development, by making a new level to achieve and then stay there. (ofc why not if we all want to take that chance)

And i really don't see this as a way to treat any performance issues
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11.13.2013 , 04:43 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Just because YOU don't feel like they are needed,
Actually you are confusing "needed" with "wanted", you don't "need" macros but you do "want" them, please try to understand the difference. The Hyfy said they aren't needed, and they aren't, you can quite easily play without them, therefore he is right. But I understand if you want them.
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AlexDougherty
11.13.2013 , 04:47 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
I do understand this isn't much of a game to "go pro" in... But I still like the PvP, and it's far from awful. But let's say I'm just doing PvP for the cool gear for roleplay. I still want to have fun in those Warzone grinds. And it's more fun to be rewarded for your efforts. I try hard, I play hard. Macro's simply let me do things in my own way. Again... It's optional.
Why did you quote yourself and respond to it???
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Nikkalos
11.13.2013 , 04:50 AM | #40
Well, I'm glad this thread is getting the attention it needs. But I have to be done with it for now... (curse work and sleep for interrupting my gamer life)

I'm not convinced the game should keep macro's out.

Some people like them, some don't. Some think they're for the skilled, some don't. But there's still no reason for them to be avoided. Simply stating that it's against your personal play style, should not hinder other players from having it.