The BattleZone! Round 1 Match 16: Exar Kun vs. Darth Krayt

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The BattleZone! Round 1 Match 16: Exar Kun vs. Darth Krayt

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LadyKulvax

11.05.2013 , 02:50 PM \| #81	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling As for the Aleema Keto scene, I'm only brining this back up because you claimed Kun could create some sort of devastating Force Bomb by absorbing Krayt's power. I don't think he's capable of that, he could therefore dodge. The rest of your post I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree with, but you are saying that a canonical scene is outright wrong? it is made very clear that Kun's Force Blasts vary in power, it depends on how powerful he wants them or more commonly if he's be flung into a rage, I have told you repeatedly why Keto was only knocked comatose instead of dying, but it's also clear that he spent no time channelling his Force Blast and instead pulled a Revan, absorbing and redirecting Keto's own blast. Now here is a simple fact, he destroyed Nadd's spirit and the entire area of that Tomb with his Force Blast, this is clearly the Force Blast at it's maximum power. It should also be noted that Kun's other powers will come into effect here, he has the ability to smash straight through the Force Barriers of even powerful Jedi Masters, all listed as seriously powerful Force Users, Krayt's own Force Barriers are very average, even a senior Imperial Knight could put him down hard with a Force Push, Kun? he'd devastate Krayt's barely above average Force Barriers and it will be an advantage that Kun will use time and again, it is clear he has a proficiency for bypassing the Barriers of other's with ease and the time he used Force Wound to kill Urr is evidence that he only kept getting better. Also, what about Deadly Sight, this was clearly an ability that even as a Sith Spirit could disintegrate Jedi Knights with raw power as strong as Gantoris, who knows how strong he was with this ability when he was corporeal, I think we need to take this point into some serious consideration: Kun's power curve was absolutely insane, he went from a Jedi that could just about beat Baas, to one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the history of it's order and it took him about a year. I think we need to consider that in his last moments, even before he absorbed the Massassi, Kun got far more powerful and so did the abilities he'd used earlier on, it states in the canon that Kun's power reached whole new magnitudes by the time of Ossus' destruction and we can only assume that Kun's ability to use his powers and the magnitude of them did as well.
I am the Battlemaster of the Jedi Order. I've struck you down once already. Today, I'm finishing the job. Jedi Order

Beniboybling

11.05.2013 , 03:37 PM \| #82	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax The rest of your post I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree with, but you are saying that a canonical scene is outright wrong? it is made very clear that Kun's Force Blasts vary in power, it depends on how powerful he wants them or more commonly if he's be flung into a rage, I have told you repeatedly why Keto was only knocked comatose instead of dying, but it's also clear that he spent no time channelling his Force Blast and instead pulled a Revan, absorbing and redirecting Keto's own blast. Now here is a simple fact, he destroyed Nadd's spirit and the entire area of that Tomb with his Force Blast, this is clearly the Force Blast at it's maximum power. It should also be noted that Kun's other powers will come into effect here, he has the ability to smash straight through the Force Barriers of even powerful Jedi Masters, all listed as seriously powerful Force Users, Krayt's own Force Barriers are very average, even a senior Imperial Knight could put him down hard with a Force Push, Kun? he'd devastate Krayt's barely above average Force Barriers and it will be an advantage that Kun will use time and again, it is clear he has a proficiency for bypassing the Barriers of other's with ease and the time he used Force Wound to kill Urr is evidence that he only kept getting better. Also, what about Deadly Sight, this was clearly an ability that even as a Sith Spirit could disintegrate Jedi Knights with raw power as strong as Gantoris, who knows how strong he was with this ability when he was corporeal, I think we need to take this point into some serious consideration: Kun's power curve was absolutely insane, he went from a Jedi that could just about beat Baas, to one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the history of it's order and it took him about a year. I think we need to consider that in his last moments, even before he absorbed the Massassi, Kun got far more powerful and so did the abilities he'd used earlier on, it states in the canon that Kun's power reached whole new magnitudes by the time of Ossus' destruction and we can only assume that Kun's ability to use his powers and the magnitude of them did as well. I'm not disputing any canon (though surely if he destroyed the entire area it would have, well, collapsed) I'm saying that after absorbing the power of another and following up with an insta attack he can't create some giant explosion (though I'd still question that as no source seems to make mention of this) perhaps in the midst of a dark side nexus, or with enough time to charge. But clearly not off the bat else Keto would likely be dead. Shield or no shield. And again, Force Barriers = Force Power. So essentially you are saying Krayt is an average Force User. I find it hard to believe he was smacked down by some Imperial Knight when he happily slaughtered dozens of them. Claiming that a Sith Lord, the most powerful Sith Lord of his entire era, of whose presence was felt across the galaxy, would be slapped about like a ragdoll seems absorb to me. As for deadly sight, I'm not sure we are considering Kun's spirit powers. But regardless for the same reasons as above I doubt it would have any effect. Kun would have to be considerably, if not vastly, more powerful than Krayt to pull that off - or he'd have just laser eyes just about anyone he came across without a fight. That is if it was deadly sight, Force powers from Sith Spirits can't be categorized in 'mortal' terms. And you might need some more evidence for that last part, given the sheer amount of conflicting sources.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Darkelefantos

11.05.2013 , 03:43 PM \| #83	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling Claiming that a Sith Lord, the most powerful Sith Lord who ever existed I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post, simply because Exar Kun is not my area of expertise, but surely, when writing this, you weren't talking about Krayt, were you? I mean, in which dimension is Krayt the most powerful Sith Lord who ever existed?

Beniboybling

11.05.2013 , 03:46 PM \| #84	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkelefantos I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post, simply because Exar Kun is not my area of expertise, but surely, when writing this, you weren't talking about Krayt, were you? I mean, in which dimension is Krayt the most powerful Sith Lord who ever existed? Oops. I mean most powerful of his era. LOL, I'm not a fanboy... promise.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Darkelefantos

11.05.2013 , 03:53 PM \| #85	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling Oops. I mean most powerful of his era. LOL, I'm not a fanboy... promise. Fine. You shall be forgiven. This time. On a different note, I find it hard not to like the Krayt character. He was made out to be pretty powerful by the writers, without making him go completely over the top. But alas, this debate is not exactly a matter of personal preference. Well, granted I assume Aurbere is a fair judge.

Aurbere

11.05.2013 , 04:10 PM \| #86	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax Also, what about Deadly Sight, this was clearly an ability that even as a Sith Spirit could disintegrate Jedi Knights with raw power as strong as Gantoris, who knows how strong he was with this ability when he was corporeal, I think we need to take this point into some serious consideration: Kun's power curve was absolutely insane, he went from a Jedi that could just about beat Baas, to one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the history of it's order and it took him about a year. I do not believe we will consider Deadly Sight. Simply because I do not believe that he could use this pre-ritual. But I could be persuaded to think otherwise if there is evidence to suggest that he can.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Aurbere

11.08.2013 , 12:32 PM \| #87	Quote
Alright, I'm going to make the final decision soon. Any final remarks?
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Beniboybling

11.08.2013 , 02:20 PM \| #88	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere Alright, I'm going to make the final decision soon. Any final remarks? Krayt wins. Oh and I am planning on making an official reentry into the forums. Hoping I won't be so busy over the next few weeks.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Selenial

11.08.2013 , 06:28 PM \| #89	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling Krayt wins. Oh and I am planning on making an official reentry into the forums. Hoping I won't be so busy over the next few weeks. Unless this "official re-entry" is calling the Kaggath, no one cares
We all live or die as Krayt wills, Stryfe. At his word, I would cut out my own heart. Or yours.

XSUPREMESKILLZX

11.08.2013 , 07:32 PM \| #90	Quote
about physical strength, it is forgotten that Kun has smashed a Holocron with his bare hands.

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