The (Un)Official PVP venting thread.

This PvP is just a "true" as other PvP. There are ground rules, you either know them and use them, or you don't. Its no different than using the "guns that are more accurate/powerful" or using Brazil against the US in FIFA.

You are not only handicapping yourself, you are handicapping teammates making them have to pull more weigh than they normally shouldn't have to. Yes, even if you are the best PvPers in the world, its your responsibility to show up with the best gear possible, or at least have a sense that you are trying, which apparently you are not..

As soon as you Que in a team environment, you individual needs need to be cast aside. There is zero excuse not to be augmented with at least 50 level augments prior to 55.

Do the ToFN players a favor. Stay out of PvP til you actually want to contribute 100%, not this halfassed, lame token attempt..

While I do not agree with Nebdar that PvP here is GvG, there is no point in denying its a factor.

Rule 10 - Sticks

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26286

Never heard anyone to say that someone scored because of better stick. Actually, I have. Then the stick in question was taken for measurements to make sure its up to standard.


So no, PvP here is unlike FIFA. Using Brazil against the US? While completely nonsensical analogy in given context - Brazilian players have little to zero if any advantage over the US players when it comes to equipment, and what is called "skill" possibly "luck" determines who wins the match - the US can actually win a times which is not true in SWTOR PvP where one team has zero chance to win before match even begins.

This is not matter of opinion btw. Here gear matters, in FIFA it does not. Which one is true and which one is fake is matter of opinion, but they are not the same for a fact. That is not the only difference. In FIFA Brazil would not play random bunch from a beach, and if they would, it would be friendly, you know for .. fun.

Brazil in SWTOR .. amusing thought. PvP is garbage but the forum is good.

No, this is a proper analogy. In any game, stats exist. You either utilize them or u don't. Gear in Swtor is equivalent to speed, passing, and other ratings in games like FIFA, Madden, et. al. Ask any Madden player. They will tell you that there is a decided advantage playing with Peyton Manning versus Christian Ponder.

[EDIT] Also, since I am at a keyboard now, even if you wanted to talk about RL, saying equipment has no impact on performance is absurd. Why else does manufacturers spend millions on R&D, Sponsorship, and Marketing?

Here is a "cool story bro" for you:

I was a three year letter winner in Track and Field when I was in college. As a jumper, I had very specific spikes that were significantly "better" than the ones I used for practice. The only problem was the competition ones were old, as I used them for three straight years. A few meets before our conference championship, I blew out the spike plate, so I had to use my practice ones. They were heavy and clunky, but since the "new jumper spikes" were on order, I had to deal. All my jumps were shorter by a few inches. I was averaging over 23FT in the long jump, and was consistently under this in my practice shoes (around 22'10"). As soon as my new ones came (I had to order them), I exceeded my personal best on three straight jumps in the conference championship.

Is it the shoes? Well.... probably. I didn't get significantly stronger or more talented in a matter of weeks, but saying my equipment was not a factor is wrong. The difference of a few ounces, more spring, and more comfort probably made a difference.

Yes, but this touches the very question of "fairness".

Is it fair to have an purely technical advantage over others ?
This has become a problem for Olympia as well, because people from some countries (Africa, South America, Asia) just aren't able to afford those suits or other tools that make them become faster, like for example these high-tech swim suits that are modelled after sharks' skin. Only rich countries are able to provide them.

Same with that sail regatta recently, America's Cup. It has become SO MUCH high tech now, that only 2 teams are there. Everything else just died out, because they just cannot afford putting millions of money into their boats. Not to mention boats that would have been good 50-70 years ago, but would totally such nowadays there.
The America's Cup just won't have any participants from poorer countries.
In the end, the America's Cup is Eliticism in its highest form : Only those who are the riches are left. Because only they can afford those boats.
On the other hand, local regattas won't allow boats like those from the America's Cup. These might be low-end prices, but they won't be able to earn them, because their boats just wouldn't be allowed there. And to "balance it out", Elitists frown upon low-end prizes, with the look of someone saying "I don't need it". But in the end it's the reaction of people who do know that they will never ever allowed to local competitions because they are too high level.
And that's why a level 55 isn't allowed in the level 10 bracket (before 2.0, level 10 vs. level 50 was still possible, like world masters snatching away the prize from Joe Public somewhere in the unknown deep province).

I was talking about FIFA not EA FIFA. Gear advantage has no role in (true) competition, with some exceptions like F1 where its inevitable and part of competition. And even there, we know what happens when one team has significantly better car - boring race. Period.

Either way, I do not care about gear in SWTOR, though I think it retarded mechanic, as when in pug against skilled, experienced and organized premade it does not matter what kind of gear one has nor what one does. Such lack of balance, not gear differences, is what makes PvP here what I call garbage or joke.

Poor brazilian and argentinian teams, they play barefooted. But anyway it doesnt take very long (a week with a couple of hours of play?) to get decently geared nowadays.

It's kind of the MMO progression that is common. MMOs are always about getting gear, just a matter of how. I actually like this one better than some others in the past I have played where I can at least PvP to get it. Of course my favorite model is like SWG where it was crafted, but you still had to buy it, but I did not care for the PvEing for the jewelry bonuses toward the end.

Still; the best gear then could be expensive at times. Same with Ultima. Of course, guilds had more meaning as you might have a crafter in guild that would hook you up where as here, it takes so damned long for the gathering and crafting just waiting around and there isn't all that much that you need crafted. The time and creds dumped into it are high so thats why you have high prices.

Anyway; it is kind of getting off topic, although maybe we are venting about even with bolster, there still is a gear gap so bolster is even pointless as well as it is flawed. Screw you bolster!

A retarded attitude like last nights one:
<Huttball starting>
Guy (vanguard): "If this is another reps vs reps, I am outahere"
Me: "Why? Considering how imps can be strong this time of night, this can be actually win."
Guy: "Cause I didn't sign up to kill my own fraction. This is just retarded."
Me: "Well... we are here because of objectives, not blind killing?"
Guy: "Speak for yourself, I am here for kills"

Retard was jumping in the middle, attacking some random TANK (I assume, cause he was onto Jugg). Pulled by another, who though he can co-kill, he was ravished WHOLE GAME. We were almost always 2 men short.
Lost, of course.

Its not Mara Smash, its not OP Heal, its not Kinetic Combat... Its Undenyable Retardism that destroys PVP here.

So, I'm a late arrival to NC--7 seconds left on the start counter--and I start scrambling to find my healers and anyone else I might want to focus target. At that point, I notice that NO-ONE IS ON THE SIDE DOOR (headed east). Before I could suggest that someone other than a Sniper (me) might want to go east, clock goes off and the smash monkey party goes running towards the southern node. In an effort to make sure we capture at least one node from the start, I head east to get the node. Luckily, the other team wasn't much smarter...no-one even bothered to probe east, so I spent 10 minutes cleaning the barrel of my rifle.

Seriously people, it doesn't take too long to figure out that WZs require some tactical thinking. It's not like PvE, where you go read a guide and then smash stuff.

Happens all the time when I am on my gunslinger. The irony is; when I am on my sin, there always seems to be at least 1 person who insists on heading to the node and guarding. Think maybe it has to do with no longer needing to win and having players that hope to just get through the match without doing anything.

Oh well. It becomes sort of a mini game to me trying to anticipate what weird **** my team is going to do and what weird **** the other team will do and come up with a plan to make the most of it and try to win.