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Sorcerer Changes Brainstorming

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Sorcerer Changes Brainstorming
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Laforet
11.07.2013 , 06:20 AM | #241
Quote: Originally Posted by Hockaday View Post
Sorry, I forgot some people haven't played since launch. Assassin tanks have been nerfed nearly every patch since launch, (largely due to PvPrs...) and have been nerfed so much, that they're re-tooling the class altogether.

Though...not sure why you run madness if you want burst. You'd be far better with hybrid for that. You do miss out on the slow though. But, to each their own and it's a different conversation altogether now isn't it? lol.

Maybe they'll re-tool sorcs as well. Seems to be the only fix to them, as everyone claims their damage is fine but power management is horrible. Which...ugh...it's not lol.

As for the healing issue, I'd argue it's your own fault for bringing a pad healer in replacement of a quick healer. They're designed to be fluff healers. (why do you think Sins hate sorc healers? Because when we spike we don't want to have to wait for a sorc to heal us, when 2 other classes can do it on demand.) They still have their place, and it's what they were designed for. If people don't like it...re-roll, bring another healer, or argue for sorcs to be redesigned.

Anything else is a bit...silly. To want the best aoe / fluff healing -and- have the same responsiveness and mobility as a merc / op.
Go hit consumption in PvE and stop posting here.
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Darth-Gorog
11.07.2013 , 06:33 AM | #242
Quote: Originally Posted by Laforet View Post
Go hit consumption in PvE and stop posting here.
I'm pretty sure he has every right to post here, besides I don't see you bringing anything to the table.

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Gomex
11.07.2013 , 08:35 AM | #243
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth-Gorog View Post
I'm pretty sure he has every right to post here, besides I don't see you bringing anything to the table.
And you are? What are your last 2 posts about?

Atleast I've made suggestions and explain with addressing the problems and solutions. Sorry if somebody with no experience or knowledge on the class tries to destroy my credibility and I defend myself by questioning his credibility in the first place.

It's funny you speak about ignoring and swaying off topic when the guy came at me with no experience or knowledge and started calling me bad for stacking crit for whatever reason he thinks I do...only to be defended by you.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hockaday View Post
As for the healing issue, I'd argue it's your own fault for bringing a pad healer in replacement of a quick healer. They're designed to be fluff healers. (why do you think Sins hate sorc healers? Because when we spike we don't want to have to wait for a sorc to heal us, when 2 other classes can do it on demand.) They still have their place, and it's what they were designed for. If people don't like it...re-roll, bring another healer, or argue for sorcs to be redesigned.

Anything else is a bit...silly. To want the best aoe / fluff healing -and- have the same responsiveness and mobility as a merc / op.
1. What is the purpose of class balance? You've been arguing this whole time on a class balance thread only to give negative comments and in the end tell those who have problems to go reroll/bring another healer as a solution.
2. Sins hate sorc healers...sounds like your sorcs don't prebubble followed by instant aoe on your stun locks. L2p issue here if you're dying with your sorc healers having plenty of force. By the way, since when do you speak for sins?
3. Ignoring people is one way to admit defeat when dissected and questioned in an argument.

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Laforet
11.07.2013 , 09:11 AM | #244
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth-Gorog View Post
I'm pretty sure he has every right to post here, besides I don't see you bringing anything to the table.
Nope. When he says stuff like consumption takes away no HP he is spreading missinformation and confusion.

Its like i show up in the snipers forum and argue that sniper needs more gap openers because warriors are charging us to death.

Everyone can post on the forums, but just dont get into a thread were people are discussing stuff to post misinformation. Go post on other threads, there are various threads in the forums.
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Laforet
11.07.2013 , 09:22 AM | #245
Quote: Originally Posted by Gomex View Post


1. What is the purpose of class balance? You've been arguing this whole time on a class balance thread only to give negative comments and in the end tell those who have problems to go reroll/bring another healer as a solution.
2. Sins hate sorc healers...sounds like your sorcs don't prebubble followed by instant aoe on your stun locks. L2p issue here if you're dying with your sorc healers having plenty of force. By the way, since when do you speak for sins?
3. Ignoring people is one way to admit defeat when dissected and questioned in an argument.
His view on class balance is:

"Sorc is fluff, the class is designed to be fluff. Its designed to be wrecked in PvP because fluff. Rerrol if dont like".

The problem is that this disastrous view is somewhat shared by the combat team (LoS heal to full play defensevely learn to play YOLO).

They seem to think that DPS sorcs are skirmishers. Which is actually cool. Skirmishers are a valid warfare tactic, if you are playing ROME 2 think about quick velites versus a slow phalanx. You can circle them and kill with javelins and they cant reach you. Youre faster, lighter.

The concept is nice and has been used by every military commander since the dawn of men.

But it doesnt work in MMOs. Why?

Because in real life the heavy greek phalanx didnt had the teams to magically jump 30 meters and get in the skirmishers face every minute. Thats why. If that happened in real life skirmishers wouldnt exist and military leaders would develop new tactics.
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Gomex
11.07.2013 , 09:29 AM | #246
Should have rerolled, you know start from scratch and work your way up to commander doing all the orders rather than doing the hard part and dying as a phalanx

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warstory
11.07.2013 , 09:55 AM | #247
Quote: Originally Posted by Laforet View Post
His view on class balance is:

"Sorc is fluff, the class is designed to be fluff. Its designed to be wrecked in PvP because fluff. Rerrol if dont like".

The problem is that this disastrous view is somewhat shared by the combat team (LoS heal to full play defensevely learn to play YOLO).

They seem to think that DPS sorcs are skirmishers. Which is actually cool. Skirmishers are a valid warfare tactic, if you are playing ROME 2 think about quick velites versus a slow phalanx. You can circle them and kill with javelins and they cant reach you. Youre faster, lighter.

The concept is nice and has been used by every military commander since the dawn of men.

But it doesnt work in MMOs. Why?

Because in real life the heavy greek phalanx didnt had the teams to magically jump 30 meters and get in the skirmishers face every minute. Thats why. If that happened in real life skirmishers wouldnt exist and military leaders would develop new tactics.
The constant gap closers break their design.
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orryko
11.07.2013 , 10:03 AM | #248
Quote: Originally Posted by Hockaday View Post
Sorry, I forgot some people haven't played since launch. Assassin tanks have been nerfed nearly every patch since launch, (largely due to PvPrs...) and have been nerfed so much, that they're re-tooling the class altogether.

Though...not sure why you run madness if you want burst. You'd be far better with hybrid for that. You do miss out on the slow though. But, to each their own and it's a different conversation altogether now isn't it? lol.

Maybe they'll re-tool sorcs as well. Seems to be the only fix to them, as everyone claims their damage is fine but power management is horrible. Which...ugh...it's not lol.

As for the healing issue, I'd argue it's your own fault for bringing a pad healer in replacement of a quick healer. They're designed to be fluff healers. (why do you think Sins hate sorc healers? Because when we spike we don't want to have to wait for a sorc to heal us, when 2 other classes can do it on demand.) They still have their place, and it's what they were designed for. If people don't like it...re-roll, bring another healer, or argue for sorcs to be redesigned.

Anything else is a bit...silly. To want the best aoe / fluff healing -and- have the same responsiveness and mobility as a merc / op.
i don't even know why i bother responding to a pve sin lol, but hopefully you'll stop posting after this.

i've been playing since launch. they nerfed self healing on anni maras too. the problem with raiding in general is that there's no way to make it really challenging...all they do is increase boss hp and how hard they hit. sins will never have enough self healing to compensate for the extra damage they take by having less armor than the other tanks. how is that hard to understand?

hybrid is nowhere near as good as madness in arena. hybrid is a damage padding wz hero spec. you really should just stop posting about sorcs when you're a clueless pver.

again, what do you know about force management when you don't do 4s and you're a pve sin?

and uhhh...this whole thread is about offering suggestions so sorcs get the tools they need to compete. you little raiders can press your buttons while standing still and the boss stays on the tank and you stand out of red circles. it wouldn't matter what they nerf or buff because the fights stay static and there will always be multiple ways to beat them. unless you are under pressure as a merc or sorc healer, you can't begin to appreciate how much easier op heals have it.

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warstory
11.07.2013 , 10:06 AM | #249
Deception Assasin and concealment op their openers are stuns which break ur bubble u can escape cause u r stunned. If u r stun locked rooted u are force to fight face to face and we have no way to do that. Bioware that doesn't make sense fix ur design.
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Vildiil
11.07.2013 , 10:30 AM | #250
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth-Gorog View Post
I'm pretty sure he has every right to post here, besides I don't see you bringing anything to the table.
Except 25 pages in and he still has the best post in the thread. Best Post