Sorcerer Changes Brainstorming

This is something well known and well discussed. Sages lack a wide raid utility. Unfortunately, BW sees thei off healing as their group utility, something which is plain stupid when there are enrage timers and no dps can afford to do anything else other than dps.

SInce I've established that mobility doesn't give all that much of an advantage, i just don't really see how madness is fine in pvp. Madness biggest bane is being leapt upon by a smasher and then pretty much destroyed in 3-5 GCD - leaving the smasher with 95% health and 2 measly DoTs ticking. At least with lightning I can pop polarity shift and outburst them, proc a bubble stun and lay a blast when they break my normal stun. With madness your only hope is to pop your 3min bubble cooldown and hope they go away. No i'm not really whining or anything because I'll respec lightning and destory said smasher in next match - but you're on the internet and you're wrong. That ^^^^^^^^ is not balanced.

it's one thing to ask for pve improvements, but you pvers really need to can it when it comes to pvp. also, any "pvp" sorc who's not at least 2k in 4s, you also need to stop talking.

madness ONLY needs better force management. whether this comes in the form of dots restoring force or deathfield or some new life drain ability to be used in conjunction with consumption....i don't care. watch mudclot's or scold's stream...and if you still think madness sorcs need buffs then i thank you in advance for my further steamrolling in s1

lightning ONLY needs blink/cast while moving cd. against very good interrupters (a well played mara, pt, sin) lightning doesn't get many casts off. blink on a moderate cooldown (20-30 secs) and/or a cast while moving for 10-15 secs on a 3 min cd is more than enough in the hands of a great sorc. anything else would make lightning way too strong.

healing not only needs better force management, but also some form of armor/defense/damage reduction. as was already stated, against GOOD players, aka not 99% of you, a sorc healer can't maintain force while healing aoe pressure and insane burst. a sorc also takes way too much damage to heal himself and multiple friendlies. therefore, sorc heals need passive armor buffs and a damage reduction cooldown that can be used while cc, which reduces damage by 30-40% for 10-15 secs on a 2 min cd. consumption needs the health penalty removed and off the gcd. in reality, healing sorcs also need another instant cast type heal and some kind of binding heal.

if you can seriously argue against these points, it is CLEAR you don't play at a high level in arena, and have no clue how to balance our class (for pvp).

it's one thing to ask for pve improvements, but you pvers really need to can it when it comes to pvp. also, any "pvp" sorc who's not at least 2k in 4s, you also need to stop talking.

madness ONLY needs better force management. whether this comes in the form of dots restoring force or deathfield or some new life drain ability to be used in conjunction with consumption....i don't care. watch mudclot's or scold's stream...and if you still think madness sorcs need buffs then i thank you in advance for my further steamrolling in s1

lightning ONLY needs blink/cast while moving cd. against very good interrupters (a well played mara, pt, sin) lightning doesn't get many casts off. blink on a moderate cooldown (20-30 secs) and/or a cast while moving for 10-15 secs on a 3 min cd is more than enough in the hands of a great sorc. anything else would make lightning way too strong.

healing not only needs better force management, but also some form of armor/defense/damage reduction. as was already stated, against GOOD players, aka not 99% of you, a sorc healer can't maintain force while healing aoe pressure and insane burst. a sorc also takes way too much damage to heal himself and multiple friendlies. therefore, sorc heals need passive armor buffs and a damage reduction cooldown that can be used while cc, which reduces damage by 30-40% for 10-15 secs on a 2 min cd. consumption needs the health penalty removed and off the gcd. in reality, healing sorcs also need another instant cast type heal and some kind of binding heal.

if you can seriously argue against these points, it is CLEAR you don't play at a high level in arena, and have no clue how to balance our class (for pvp).

And, afaik...consumption takes no health with the stacks. Lets not make sorcs pure easy mode now.

Yeah...I can agree with most of this. Still debating the healer management issue, but I'll leave that to people who play sorc healers who actually know what they're talking about, unlike the crit stacker.

But PvPrs need to understand that balancing around PvP, and arenas specifically, is just bad news all around. Every time PvPrs get something balanced for them, it breaks it in PvE. Hell, you guys are the reason for assassin tanks being totally revamped.

And, you -still- miss the point that sorcs are laughable damage in pve or pvp at best, and so easy to shut down it's not even funny. Stop letting sorcs free cast and you'll see. Now, ofcourse in 2.5 madness sorcs if full madness can make their dots uncureable. That's going to be a nice step. But that is a useless skill for PvE.

And, afaik...consumption takes no health with the stacks. Lets not make sorcs pure easy mode now.

consumption needs [to be] off the gcd.