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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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DOHboy
11.05.2013 , 09:44 AM | #3641
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
There are two reasonable "con" arguments: "I don't like it" and "It would take development resources." That's it.

The "pro" arguments are "I like it," "It increases flexibility" and "Possibly creates new CM money-making opportunities."
those are not the only con arguments, now if those are the only valid ones that people will understand sure. And no, i'm not about to summarize all the arguments again which has been done before.

For every PRO there is an equal CON however, there are additions in the PRO that tend to change from time to time and muddle the water. The biggest being that some people want it for free, and unlimited (much like the current re-spec). Others have suggested making it limited (massive cool down) or one time purchase for varying amounts on the CM.

There have been the "what do you care what I do, I'm not going to affect you in any way" because what you do, is what 10,000 other players can and will do which WILL impact me.

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branmakmuffin
11.05.2013 , 09:47 AM | #3642
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
those are not the only con arguments
Those are the only reasonable "con" arguments.

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There have been the "what do you care what I do, I'm not going to affect you in any way" because what you do, is what 10,000 other players can and will do which WILL impact me.
The only way it impacts you is if you allow it to bother you.

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LordArtemis
11.05.2013 , 09:48 AM | #3643
This is a list of all of the unique Pros and Cons I could find in the thread. This does not mean I find them all legitimate, but tried to list them all for the sake of fairness and the ability to properly discuss and debate them as needed.

PROS

1. breathing life into characters that may have been abandoned and thus extending someone's stay in game, their enjoyment in game.
2. allowing people who only have fun playing through a story once - experiment with their character without having to suffer through the story they already know and aren't having fun replaying.
3. allowing people to keep using unique, no longer acquirable items, that include pets, speeders, crystals, armor shells, as well as legacy perk unlocks on a character they have grown attached to, while enjoying the game play style that works better for them, within the same archetype, rather than having to reroll from scratch and lose all the investment they made into a character.
4. making extra money for bioware by making ac switch purchasable with cartel coins.


CONS

1) I would expect that many folks are not going to react well to this change if implemented.
2) They flirted with the idea before launch, even talked about it publicly, but in the end decided not to allow it. At the time folks were pretty dead set against it. I don't think it's likely the current environment has changed much since then.
3) Some classes could end up underrepresented due to bad design. Right now some folks stick with an AC they choose because they would have to reroll and do not wish to do so I would guess.
4) If restrictions are not in place this could end up being abused or exploited.
5) This will likely further demean AC choice.
6) Could cause FOTM issues.
7) If late game AC change is allowed it could end up causing folks that have an AC but do not know how to properly play it running Raids and Operations, making an existing problem worse.

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DOHboy
11.05.2013 , 10:02 AM | #3644
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
This is a list of all of the unique Pros and Cons I could find in the thread. This does not mean I find them all legitimate, but tried to list them all for the sake of fairness and the ability to properly discuss and debate them as needed.

PROS

1. breathing life into characters that may have been abandoned and thus extending someone's stay in game, their enjoyment in game.
2. allowing people who only have fun playing through a story once - experiment with their character without having to suffer through the story they already know and aren't having fun replaying.
3. allowing people to keep using unique, no longer acquirable items, that include pets, speeders, crystals, armor shells, as well as legacy perk unlocks on a character they have grown attached to, while enjoying the game play style that works better for them, within the same archetype, rather than having to reroll from scratch and lose all the investment they made into a character.
4. making extra money for bioware by making ac switch purchasable with cartel coins.


CONS

1) I would expect that many folks are not going to react well to this change if implemented.
2) They flirted with the idea before launch, even talked about it publicly, but in the end decided not to allow it. At the time folks were pretty dead set against it. I don't think it's likely the current environment has changed much since then.
3) Some classes could end up underrepresented due to bad design. Right now some folks stick with an AC they choose because they would have to reroll and do not wish to do so I would guess.
4) If restrictions are not in place this could end up being abused or exploited.
5) This will likely further demean AC choice.
6) Could cause FOTM issues.
7) If late game AC change is allowed it could end up causing folks that have an AC but do not know how to properly play it running Raids and Operations, making an existing problem worse.
Add in the cons:
increases the number of players with that are not geared and cost of swapping out mods since not likely to have any gear that fits the class (heavy armor to medium, weapons, etc. )
Those that don't want to grind for new gear will ask (demand?) for cheap ways to get mods (unlimited exchange of current gear for other gear of same type since that is the only cure).
Adds development time that can be better used elsewhere.
There is no consensus on how often or how much to charge. Some (most?) want it for free and unlimited swapping.
Some choices need to be permanent you made that decision with full disclosure it was permanent.

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branmakmuffin
11.05.2013 , 10:07 AM | #3645
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
Add in the cons:
increases the number of players with that are not geared and cost of swapping out mods since not likely to have any gear that fits the class (heavy armor to medium, weapons, etc. )
Again, does not affect you, therefore none of your business.

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Those that don't want to grind for new gear will ask (demand?) for cheap ways to get mods (unlimited exchange of current gear for other gear of same type since that is the only cure).
Slippery slope fallacy.

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Adds development time
Yes.

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that can be better used elsewhere.
Matter of opinion.

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There is no consensus on how often or how much to charge. Some (most?) want it for free and unlimited swapping.
Irrelevant. BWEA would make that call, not "forum consensus."

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Some choices need to be permanent
Why? Because you say so? It's a game. It's meant to be fun. You play your way, let others play their way.

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You made that decision with full disclosure it was permanent.
This is the "You can't change this because it has always been this way" argument. Specious.

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TUXs
11.05.2013 , 10:08 AM | #3646
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Perhaps come up with a reason that doesn't make you all look lazy..
I love how the guy advocating for spending more time sitting on your butt being bored to death doing the exact same quests calls someone else lazy...talk about irony. You need to come up with a better term...
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TUXs
11.05.2013 , 10:11 AM | #3647
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
The only way it impacts you is if you allow it to bother you.
Agreed Bran!!! It's a non-issue that people are getting their panties all in a bunch over. I don't care if every other player is the same class and AC...it's none of my business what someone else plays.
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branmakmuffin
11.05.2013 , 10:13 AM | #3648
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Agreed Bran!!! It's a non-issue that people are getting their panties all in a bunch over. I don't care if every other player is the same class and AC...it's none of my business what someone else plays.
If we just reply to each other in this thread, we will be BFFs.

This thread has long been just each side re-hashing its position. But their fulminating over such a triviality is fairly entertaining.

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TUXs
11.05.2013 , 10:13 AM | #3649
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If we just reply to each other in this thread, we will be BFFs.
/huggles?!
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branmakmuffin
11.05.2013 , 10:15 AM | #3650
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/huggles?!
Bro hugs are cool. Just don't try to kiss me.