ETA on Advanced Class change?

Well, if they never put it in, oh well relax, its just a game. We would rather they put effort into other places. But obviously our opinions don't matter since we can't come up with any reason (that others feel is valid) NOT too.

That is not proof to the contrary.

I acknowledged that they said species changes would "likely happen". I also noted that the species changes had come to pass, but the other "likely" change has not.

How would you explain the implementation of species changes and NOT class changes since the quote said both would "likely happen"? How do you explain the COMPLETE AND TOTAL SILENCE from the devs regarding class changes since that ambiguous quote? How would you explain total picture--the implementation of species changes, the fact that class changes have NOT been implemented and the fact that the devs have been TOTALLY SILENT on class changes since that quote, even in the face of this 360+ page thread?

I didn't say anything about that either. But flipping from guardian def spec to sentinel (what you did whine about) is virtually the same as flipping from guardian def spec to guardian dps (something that can and does happen right now). The distinction is -almost- purely cosmetic (assuming adaptive gear is equipped and the different off-hands are available - but you need to change off-hands when flipping between guardian tank and guardian dps, too). That was my only point.

Flipping from guardian dps spec (what I normally play) to guardian def spec does require an adjustment and I personally wouldn't want to do that in a competitive situation (raids, nightmares, rated pvp) but plenty of people can do it very well. So what?

Obviously they would have to balance it out with money they would earn charging CC to make the change. No one ever said they should do it regardless of financial consequences. But you can now change your characters' species without having to level up a new character. I bet when people were calling for species change, there were people saying "Just level a new toon."

I would interject that this is only true for PvE(where it doesn't generally matter how dps is done and many utility skills are largely irrelevant) and even then not true for inquisitor/consulars and bounty hunter/troopers, because their ACs divide into melee and ranged which have different implications even in PvE.

Sure we have proof... Played the game lately?? The game when you create an AC says on at least 4 different occasions that our choice is permanent??

Do you have any evidence that the game does not say that??

Seriously dude.. This issue is a no brainer..

As people have noted before, changing your character's species is a cosmetic change and not a change of fundamental class mechanics. There is a difference.

I find it amusing that so many people are invested in keeping the status quo.

Who really cares if someone pays to change their AC and avoid the tedious, monotonous grind to 55 across a half dozen static, lifeless planets? I sure don't.

Some of the AC's are horribly broken and the dev response was; you're wrong, L2P. The class representative spent years trying to get improvements made to the shadow and finally threw his hands up in disgust and quit the game over it.

But then again, all classes can just heal themselves to full, so I guess wanting to swap AC's is just dumb.

Changing AC is not a fundamental class change, it's an advanced class change. As noted by several posters, the 2 ACs share one spec tree in common and all base class skills. So yeah, it's more of a change than species change, but not nearly as much of a change as base class change. You keep trying to say that it is, but it just isn't.

And so again, why is switching between DPS and heal or tank not a big deal yet switching between heal and tank is totally beyond the pale? Or are you opposed to spec change, too?

Several of these guys who don't want ac changes were probably against skill tree changes too.